Can't Get Into 2nd Gear (Just installed Kartboy, MTEC, Motul 300, and Whiteline)

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

yeah i thought that was only on the autos....

Nope. It's both. Check your manual.

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[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Alright, well I just got back from a drive through the country. Holy balls it's hard to hit 2nd from neutral. 3rd to 2nd is "more" difficult, but I don't think I missed it once.

Serious problem though: reverse lockout is now useless. I can totally put it in reverse without it, and found out the fun way. Uphill too.

Also, the dash no longer says what gear I'm in. I used to not care, but now I do since there's often doubt between R & 1 and 2 & 4. I suspect that's normal though for the short shifter?

You have to turn the gear indicator back on after you reset the ecu.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by empower-auto

this is very disheartening. your setup is trouble waiting to happen

What are you talking about, Willis?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Lockout plate needs to be adjusted in that case. All the way to the left, I believe. Multiple people have noticed that in their installs IIRC.

I'll handle it tomorrow. It's not too big of a deal. Just need to develop some muscle memory so I can start hitting second gear. I put about 50 miles on the car today, mostly twisty country roads with the occasional stop sign. It was quite the clown show at times. And that Tomei 60R is unforgiving.

"HEY EVERYBODY!! THIS GUY JUST EXECUTED A REALLY SHITTY SHIFT!!" - my exhaust.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Sounds like the GT500 I encountered on the highway a couple nights back. Terribad shifting.

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

yeah i thought that was only on the autos....

Nope. Turn G-on cycling through the trip meter presets with the car on and not in gear.

[empower-auto]

Originally Posted by Anthony

What are you talking about, Willis?

No reverse lock-out and your 2nd gear requires Jedi concentration.

Sounds like crap. I'd rather keep the stock shifter with the Whiteline and Perrin bushings.

Reminds me of when I goofed something up putting a Concept Z shifter into my 300ZX and regardless of how awesome the shifts felt .. going into 2nd and 2nd to 3rd were really picky.

I'm nervous to install my BPS shifter now

[Anthony]

It's nothing that couldn't be undone. I think I just need to adjust some things and it will be fine. If not, I can always go back to stock. I don't throw away or sell anything.

[civicdrivr]

Sounds like the reverse lockout plate is in the wrong position. You should not have access to reverse without pulling the lockout up.

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[Anthony]

I'm taking a break from working on the car today. I'll get on this soon though and post my solution or new questions.

[Mad_Mike]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Ok, I figured it out. Apparently, you can't slide the shifter all the way to the left and then down anymore. There's a tiny window between the void to the left of 2nd and 4th where 2nd actually exists. Before I could go all the way left, then straight down and it would go into 2nd. Now I just have to go exactly straight down from 1st and it goes right in. Not sure if that's normal or not. Seems like it'll make my driving a lot sloppier unless I'm more precise than I've always been.

I just played with the lockout plate, and it doesn't really affect the ability to get into second. I even tried sliding it as far to the right as possible to block out R, 1, and 2, but was still able to get into them. You've just got to be spot damn on to get into 2nd now.

Maybe it'll change as it breaks in? Or maybe once the car's on the ground and I'm actually shifting and accelerating under load it'll feel more natural. With the car as is though, it's like a game at the fair. No giant stuffed animals for me just yet...

It's the rear shifter bushing that causes 2nd (and also 6th) to be a lot closer to 4th than it should. Also makes shifting a lot more notchier and overall harder to get into every gear.

I had my kartboy short shifter installed for a month or 2 before I ever got around to putting the rear shifter bushing in. I hated it. I put the stock rear shifter bushing back after 48 hours. I think the rear bushing helps with the stock shifter, but with a short shifter it's just way over kill.

[Mad_Mike]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Also, the dash no longer says what gear I'm in. I used to not care, but now I do since there's often doubt between R & 1 and 2 & 4. I suspect that's normal though for the short shifter?

I have the kartboy short shift, mtech springs, and had the kartboy rear shifter bushing. My dash gear indicator has always worked before and after each of the installs. Maybe the flywheel is confusing it or you reset it somehow.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Mad_Mike

It's the rear shifter bushing that causes 2nd (and also 6th) to be a lot closer to 4th than it should. Also makes shifting a lot more notchier and overall harder to get into every gear.

I had my kartboy short shifter installed for a month or 2 before I ever got around to putting the rear shifter bushing in. I hated it. I put the stock rear shifter bushing back after 48 hours. I think the rear bushing helps with the stock shifter, but with a short shifter it's just way over kill.

This makes no sense, really. The bushing has nothing to do with the lateral throw distance between gates. It does affect the mushiness of going into a gate, however.

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[Mad_Mike]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

This makes no sense, really. The bushing has nothing to do with the lateral throw distance between gates. It does affect the mushiness of going into a gate, however.

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I'm not saying the bushing changed the throw distance between gears. I just experienced after installing my bushing the same situation he was describing where 2nd was no longer all the way to the left and straight down but more in between where 2nd used to be and 4th. The bushing is not just a stiffer stock replacement, the angle is different. Installing the bushing does move the arm vertically from its original position and makes a surprising difference on the shifter feel for such a simple part.

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by Mad_Mike

I'm not saying the bushing changed the throw distance between gears. I just experienced after installing my bushing the same situation he was describing where 2nd was no longer all the way to the left and straight down but more in between where 2nd used to be and 4th. The bushing is not just a stiffer stock replacement, the angle is different. Installing the bushing does move the arm vertically from its original position and makes a surprising difference on the shifter feel for such a simple part.

You sure you didn't install the bushing upside down or backwards? I'm running the Perrin shifter bushing and it didn't change the position of the shifter one bit.

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