FA20Club Turbo Kit Owners Topic

[jamesm]

i'm going to need a bigger fuel pump soon. it is a bit murky as to what the options are once you've gone past a 265.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i'm going to need a bigger fuel pump soon. it is a bit murky as to what the options are once you've gone past a 265.

are you using the 265 ? and i thought that was good for 4xx

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

are you using the 265 ? and i thought that was good for 4xx

corn fuel . i want to maintain some overhead as well, just because i guess. i'm probably going to run out of maf before i run out of pump though, i'm not really sure what the 265 is good for.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i'm going to need a bigger fuel pump soon. it is a bit murky as to what the options are once you've gone past a 265.

Well there is don's solution which was made with no evidence as to what the limits were but was said to really be needed in almost every scenario when I talked to him on the phone. As if it was even unsafe to use the stock setup on a near stock car...

Then there is full blown's solution which is pretty legit and has been around for many cars. And has nothing to do with ours. This does not need testing, nor a reason to purchase. As if you are at this point you know you need their fuel setup.

Then there is Toni's omnipresent issue that is full of smoke & mirrors. He has said there is an issue, but has given us no evidence of where that issue lies. Cars that shouldn't be maxing out are. And cars that aren't maxing out should be. At least when you read all of his posts / emails / text etc.

Sounds like were on our own on this one. I'll get back to you in 90 days with testing... Once I get my car running again.

[FA20Club.com]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

So you lied to me on the phone when you said he was running a walbro 255, then the "big" walbro, then saying a drop in (of whichever pump kept changing during our convo) started to lean out near 500WHP. And that he will need something different form here on. Sooooo what is true here? All I'm getting is poor info from you in recommendations as to what is capable of what.

I have had many conversations in the past with you saying you were in the middle of testing things and would get back to me in which you never did and they all just "faded away" and never came to be. There were lots of promised dyno's log comparisons, and info to contribute. It would seem more useful posting some of your info in public to show what you are testing and then maybe others don't have to waste time testing it them selves.

At this point with the high rate of lies from vendors on this forum I will be doing my own fuel system. Testing the limits of it my self. Tuning the car my self. And posting all of the results my self. I understand that your work is your money. And finding out what works and coming up with a solution is worth money. But you have directly told me at least 3 different things as to what a drop in fuel setup can possibly do. I was told many different injector setups from you, in which Brandon (lexus) had told me different.

Its sad to see our relationship die out like this. I backed you up a number of times and made you quite a bit of money. I represented you in many ways and directly recommended multiple companies towards using you. I also recommended multiple shops to start using you for tuning and you just really seem to have gotten either way to overwhelmed or just simply don't care.

Not to mention my own experience with my own car... But thats a little bit off topic for this thread. I'll just have to create a discussion on that in the next few weeks.

Feel free to test you own pump configuration. When i spoke to you i told you i put the big 400 intank which i did. A company offered me another option last week as well as the new Denso pump which i took them upon. Lexus car has 850cc and always have.Any other item Ive installed on his car for testing purposes arent discussed. I know you have been messaging him regarding whats done to his car. Exactly as you stated if im testing a project and it doesnt pan out it wont be released. This is the specific reason i dont generally speak about a product till the point deemed to be released.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

Feel free to test you own pump configuration. When i spoke to you i told you i put the big 400 intank which i did. A company offered me another option last week as well as the new Denso pump which i took them upon. Lexus car has 850cc and always have. Exactly as you stated if im testing a project and it doesnt pan out it wont be released. This is the specific reason i dont generally speak about a product till the point deemed to be released.

How about actually showing us when and where these drop in pumps really do max out. How about showing us what was involved in getting this 400 pump in. You told me you tried multiple injector setups on the walbro and nothing worked. How about some concrete written information in public so that way we can search for it and actually use it to our advantage. I not saying this to be a **** but, I prefer seeing actual usable information in some of these threads instead of just fluff & sales pitches.

[FA20Club.com]

All of those cars are already out their. DAN@AWD 1100cc DW65 maxed system Stage 1 Kits 540cc Maxed the system Lexusb3 850cc Maxed the system And our stage 1.5 Kit 770cc Injectors maxed. All those details are posted in every video every posted. Never hid that info from anyone. As far as detailed specifics when i release the components used to mount the 400 pump and the adapter for the factory bypass valve and integrating the regulator ill provide you with pressure variants on the fuel system itself. How about that does that work for you....?

FYI: if the last pump i was provided fits the price point of the adapter and misc pieces for the 400lph then that would negate that as an option since it would be more of a direct replacement vs what im doing now. Thats part of the reason im not releasing info just to come back 2 weeks later with a completely different product that is more functional. I have the pump I know it works. No, I cant discuss it because of the NDA and I will know retail price same time as you guys to determine if its ore beneficial financially vs the adapter i had made already. All I was given was the pump Im not going to have wholesale or retail pricing till PRI like everyone else.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

All of those cars are already out their. DAN@AWD 1100cc DW65 maxed system Stage 1 Kits 540cc Maxed the system Lexusb3 850cc Maxed the system And our stage 1.5 Kit 770cc Injectors maxed. All those details are posted in every video every posted. Never hid that info from anyone. As far as detailed specifics when i release the components used to mount the 400 pump and the adapter for the factory bypass valve and integrating the regulator ill provide you with pressure variants on the fuel system itself. How about that does that work for you....?

The more info the better. And hearing a turbo "kit" maxing a system is worthless as a kit can come with many number of components, and depending on tune / fuel this can sway significantly. How about ethanol content, fuel type, manifold pressure, and power information.

[Dan@AWD]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

The more info the better. And hearing a turbo "kit" maxing a system is worthless as a kit can come with many number of components, and depending on tune / fuel this can sway significantly. How about ethanol content, fuel type, manifold pressure, and power information.

462 hp @ 22 psi on e85 with DW 65c and FIC 1100cc injectors. Leaned out turning the boost up more. Injectors were not responding to more fuel being added as well as with adjusting the DI. I know for sure I'm not running out of injector.

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[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by Dan@AWD

462 hp @ 22 psi on e85 with DW 65c and FIC 1100cc injectors. Leaned out turning the boost up more. Injectors were not responding to more fuel being added as well as with adjusting the DI. I know for sure I'm not running out of injector.

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OEM wiring? I am going to make a fuel pump thread tomorrow for this sort of deal and quote your post if you alright with that. This is the kind of info that is extremely useful.

[Dan@AWD]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

OEM wiring? I am going to make a fuel pump thread tomorrow for this sort of deal and quote your post if you alright with that. This is the kind of info that is extremely useful.

Yes OEM wiring. Sure you can use the post.

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[bgibbsunc]

lol this is endless. Dan I maxed out at 467 whp on 19 lbs I believe. 540 cc injectors. of course I'm running the 60 trim though. I really don't understand why people expect vendors to give out all of their trialed information. Toni has worked hard to meet and exceed the limitations of this car. Not only that but he has continued to bring the best prices to everything from flex fuel kit to turbo kit. I don't down any vendors on these forums because anything they share is by choice. I just wish ppl would realize how much information is being lost when you have to read through 50 pages of ppl bitching at vendors from across the states. Sometimes its easier to just sit back and watch.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by bgibbsunc

lol this is endless. Dan I maxed out at 467 whp on 19 lbs I believe. 540 cc injectors. of course I'm running the 60 trim though. I really don't understand why people expect vendors to give out all of their trialed information. Toni has worked hard to meet and exceed the limitations of this car. Not only that but he has continued to bring the best prices to everything from flex fuel kit to turbo kit. I don't down any vendors on these forums because anything they share is by choice. I just wish ppl would realize how much information is being lost when you have to read through 50 pages of ppl bitching at vendors from across the states. Sometimes its easier to just sit back and watch.

I and brandon have kept quiet. I paid toni to tune my car more than others on this forum. Flex fuel kit comes with a tune... i paid that + a "fee" for re-tuning my car in person. Hell I didn't ask for a discount even. I made him estimated 4-5k proffit (after his cost) in 2 days work. Yet it wasn't a priority to make his "money makers" car run correctly. Not to mention I don't think MBT was actually tested for. My car ran like absolute shit since day 1. I directly told him what i saw going on and asked for resolution.

I was also sold his flex fuel kit being told it had been tested, and was sent a "prototype" with missing parts. I was given a 50 max psi line with E10 rating, and dangerous fittings. I had leaks from multiple places. I helped another shop deal with this that was also leaking. Pro tip: Make sure your fittings match your hose. @Visconti showed us this earlier this year that it is extremely important to do so. Cheap corners cut and general carelessness can cause a serious car fire.

So I am sorry but he has not worked hard. You can buy a flex fuel kit by going to zeitronix and buying their V1 or V2 kit + a hose kit from your local auto parts store for $10.00 (I had to buy this as toni gave me an un-safe line originally). And then ordering 2x 2-5$ connectors and some fuel injector clamps. It actually comes up cheaper. Its not like its "magic" or anything...

Is it that hard to get my MAF scaling resolved so I don't see 20-35.2% fuel trims? Apparently so. And its also "cool" to have massive holes in the "fuel map" as quoted by my passenger (*COUGH* toni him self while driving him back to his hotel!). This was never resolved. Maybe try bumping the voltage on the low spectrum of the MAF sensor. Or simply reading my logs...

Apparently running stoich is also awesome while in boost in 4th gear.

Toni will be responding to this post talking about how flex fuel cant possibly report fuel trims correctly when in fact my car was 100% replicating the conditions of a fuel trim maxing out. Ignore his post, its 100% bullshit. It was simply a maf calibration & other misc overlooks. My car was an absolute nightmare to drive under 4,200RPM.

[nelsmar]

Here is a shared google doc between me and Toni. This shows who has paid for a dyno event I hosted. If you do the math you will see the "$150.00" bullshit charge that we originally agree'd would not happen if I had enough people. I paid it without questions and told him money isn't a problem when it comes to me. And for the record I made no profit hosting this event. I actually lost money but I wanted to contribute to my local community.

Edit: removed prices that Toni pays for licensing, cables, flex fuel, etc. If you want to know this find it on your own. You get the general idea...

$750.00 of this is cables.
$1500.00 is licenses.
$1100.00 is flex fuel.
$600.00 is for injectors
$200.00 is for pumps
$180.00 is for harness
$4930.00 Total "cost".

$8100.00 in sales.

$3170.00 in labor profit.
Now once you factor in cable premium, license premium, and flex fuel hardware premium you are looking at 4-5k.

Oh and I paid for his flight, hotel, told him he can rack up the room service bill (in which he said he had no intention to use) and that I would pay it without any question, and then I even offered compensation for time away from his family. Now given I didn't give him a quality ride back to the airport. However this was due ot the fact my car was broken down literally within 20 miles of the dyno. This was due to poor recommendation from Toni on belt sizing. Apparently his R&D wasn't as good as I thought. But hey, your welcome Toni! Next time don't be a d!ck when I pay you full price and actually take a moment to listen to your high dollar customers. Maybe actually read my logs. I loved the text you sent me asking me to send you ethanol content when literally every single log i have eve taken since I installed my leaking flex fuel kit included ethanol content. This shows how much effort you put into your job.

P.S. The reason this list was limited was due to limited time on dyno I could schedule. I had people on stand by... Toni was "stalling" on the dyno since he thought we had a lot of mechanical problems. The owner of the dyno even talked to me about it afterwards and luckily gave me a brake on the dyno fee's (which were quite expensive) as he felt a tad bad. I had another 5-10 people that wanted to jump aboard this. I did have one member jump to purchase a "canned tune" from toni at the event that was so excited and hoping that we could squeeze him on the dyno. However this did not happen and he just got a simple flash. He at this time has not had any e-tune updates or dyno updates.

Spreadsheet:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-%20Sheet1.pdf