Shift resistance going into gate (notchiness) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

1Cor10:23 · 12-06-2013, 11:25 AM

Hi all,

I know there's a few topics regarding irregular shift feeling but was wondering if anyone experienced harder shifting starting to develop after break- in.

Currently, at 4k miles. No grinding but it definitely feels like there's more resistance going through each gate as you row through the gears.

I know going up or down into 2nd is always going to be rough however, just recently 3rd and 4th started to feel notchy with an extra push or tug required to get fully into gear. Before going up into 3rd and into 4th and down from 4th to 3rd was perfectly smooth and effortless (since no lateral movement required).

With car turned off, rowing through gears feels like it should, only resistance when running and driving.

Anyone with similar experience?

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brn12345 · 12-06-2013, 11:54 AM

I Have the same thing. Used to be only 2nd. Now 3rd and 4th not so great. Have been advised to change oil. Guess ill try that.

humfrz · 12-06-2013, 12:02 PM

No, mine seems to shift quite smoothly, especially after it gets warmed up.

However, if it did shift notchy, the first thing I would do is change the transmission oil.

humfrz

Anthonytpt · 12-06-2013, 12:05 PM

Is your car warmed up? I see you're in Canada so I felt the question would be relevant. Additionally, as you've observed, there are plenty of threads addressing shifting resistance or the like. The remedies include swapping out the fluids, installing a positive shift kit, rear shifter bushing, and/or getting a short shifter.

1Cor10:23 · 12-06-2013, 12:18 PM

Yes, fully warmed, engine was at 90+c. Ironically, this started happening yesterday, which was the warmest day of the past 2 weeks.

I'm thinking changing the trans fluid would be a good first step. Would a short-shifter change the feel even if rowing with the stock shifter while off is perfectly smooth? I'm thinking it's more to do with the trans and not the shifter itself.

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DarkSunrise · 12-06-2013, 12:21 PM

I think this shifter will always be a little notchy, but are you making sure to lift between shifts? That helps.

lickitysplit · 12-06-2013, 12:24 PM

After putting my Kartboy Short Shifter, the Kartboy rear shifter stay, and amsoil oil my shifts are fantastic.

1Cor10:23 · 12-06-2013, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I think this shifter will always be a little notchy, but are you making sure to lift between shifts? That helps.

Could you elaborate on "lift"? Thanks!

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350matt · 12-06-2013, 01:12 PM

he means you don't have your accelerator foot flat to the floor during a gearshift

might also be worth bleeding the clutch fluid as well as considering some fresh gear oil

DarkSunrise · 12-06-2013, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1Cor10:23

Could you elaborate on "lift"? Thanks!

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Try completely lifting your foot off the gas pedal between shifts. There's a bit of rev-hang with these cars, and it's important that the RPMs drop in between shifts to make the syncros' job easier. In turn, that will enable you shift easier and quicker into each gate.

OrbitalEllipses · 12-06-2013, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I think this shifter will always be a little notchy, but are you making sure to lift between shifts? That helps.

Bro. Never lift, bro.

1Cor10:23 · 12-06-2013, 01:48 PM

Yeah I'm definitely fully off gas before clutch-in

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DarkSunrise · 12-06-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Bro. Never lift, bro.

Yep true story.

1Cor10:23 · 12-06-2013, 07:57 PM

Who knows, maybe it's all in my head

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12-06-2013, 11:25 AM	#1
1Cor10:23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '13 Whiteout FR-S (M/T) Location: GTA Posts: 1,205 Thanks: 492 Thanked 392 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Shift resistance going into gate (notchiness) Hi all, I know there's a few topics regarding irregular shift feeling but was wondering if anyone experienced harder shifting starting to develop after break- in. Currently, at 4k miles. No grinding but it definitely feels like there's more resistance going through each gate as you row through the gears. I know going up or down into 2nd is always going to be rough however, just recently 3rd and 4th started to feel notchy with an extra push or tug required to get fully into gear. Before going up into 3rd and into 4th and down from 4th to 3rd was perfectly smooth and effortless (since no lateral movement required). With car turned off, rowing through gears feels like it should, only resistance when running and driving. Anyone with similar experience? Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk __________________ \|1Cor10:23 \| Whiteout FR-S \| Form Follows Function Build\|

12-06-2013, 12:18 PM	#5
1Cor10:23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '13 Whiteout FR-S (M/T) Location: GTA Posts: 1,205 Thanks: 492 Thanked 392 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Yes, fully warmed, engine was at 90+c. Ironically, this started happening yesterday, which was the warmest day of the past 2 weeks. I'm thinking changing the trans fluid would be a good first step. Would a short-shifter change the feel even if rowing with the stock shifter while off is perfectly smooth? I'm thinking it's more to do with the trans and not the shifter itself. Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk __________________ \|1Cor10:23 \| Whiteout FR-S \| Form Follows Function Build\|

12-06-2013, 12:21 PM	#6
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,798 Thanks: 2,187 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I think this shifter will always be a little notchy, but are you making sure to lift between shifts? That helps. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

12-06-2013, 12:24 PM	#7
lickitysplit Don't care Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FRS Location: Texas Posts: 233 Thanks: 3 Thanked 62 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	After putting my Kartboy Short Shifter, the Kartboy rear shifter stay, and amsoil oil my shifts are fantastic. __________________

12-06-2013, 01:48 PM	#12
1Cor10:23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '13 Whiteout FR-S (M/T) Location: GTA Posts: 1,205 Thanks: 492 Thanked 392 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Yeah I'm definitely fully off gas before clutch-in Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk __________________ \|1Cor10:23 \| Whiteout FR-S \| Form Follows Function Build\|

12-06-2013, 11:54 AM	#2
brn12345 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Bahrain Posts: 254 Thanks: 101 Thanked 137 Times in 63 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I Have the same thing. Used to be only 2nd. Now 3rd and 4th not so great. Have been advised to change oil. Guess ill try that.

12-06-2013, 12:02 PM	#3
humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 30,432 Thanks: 29,826 Thanked 32,845 Times in 16,844 Posts Mentioned: 715 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	No, mine seems to shift quite smoothly, especially after it gets warmed up. However, if it did shift notchy, the first thing I would do is change the transmission oil. humfrz

12-06-2013, 01:12 PM	#9
350matt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: toyota mr2/ Toyota GT86 Location: UK Posts: 438 Thanks: 3 Thanked 140 Times in 92 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	he means you don't have your accelerator foot flat to the floor during a gearshift might also be worth bleeding the clutch fluid as well as considering some fresh gear oil

12-06-2013, 07:57 PM	#14
1Cor10:23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '13 Whiteout FR-S (M/T) Location: GTA Posts: 1,205 Thanks: 492 Thanked 392 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Who knows, maybe it's all in my head Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk __________________ \|1Cor10:23 \| Whiteout FR-S \| Form Follows Function Build\|

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