News for the 2015 FR-S and BRZ

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Mr.EvoMR

I would like them making it Turbo Charged, little car like the Frs and how bad ass it looks, all it needs is a Turbo coming standard, already in it. I honestly would pay a lil extra for it too. Why not? If your a car guy, you get it. I hear some people saying I would rather spend my 30-35k on something else, like what? Something luxury maybe. The Frs/Brz look amazing and drive better then most cars all it needs is a Turbo. You could do so much things to it too. Turbo Charger is the way to go.

Yeah... Not going to happen anytime soon.

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[SCharged]

I'd be surprised if they developed yet another engine specifically for the platform.. Chances are they'll just improve the fa20. So if kers and turbo are the only options, turbo seems more probable, but kers sounds more appealing to me.

My vote however would go towards a mostly unchanged fa20.. maybe +10-15hp/tq, and push the weight limit even lower.

Do what it takes to drop the 0-60 to 5.8-5.9 and 1/4 mile to 14.3-14.5 (easily done with the extra 10-15hp, less weight and revised ratios) and you'll see much less people complaining about the car being underpowered... just based on those metrics............

[gily25]

I voted turbo...I think judging by products already on the market that work with the other OEM systems, it'll be the most cost effective option from a manufacturing and R&D perspective.

An engine variation seems likely for a future model but it changes too much under the hood. Things won't be grommeted/bolted down in the same places which changes tooling for an entire production line. I haven't looked at many of the drop-in engine build threads but I would imagine some of the inner fenders were shaved and most I've seen have moved the battery at the very least, so you're stamping new body panels, all this adds up to money money money and they'll price themselves out of segment.

[lbroskee]

considering the new WRX and Forester XT both have a FA20 Turbo in them..... If we don't get it as an option with how much consumer begging there is, i'd be shocked

[21_nola_05]

Originally Posted by husker741

The fact that you are saying Toyota "has" been testing all these motors makes it seem like you know everything that's happening. Are you Tada in disguise? No one knows what they've tested. It's all speculation at this point.

#inbeforeiworkatscionsoiknowall

The Sydney Morning Herald has spoken to Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer of the Toyota 86 (our version of it, the Scion FR-S, is pictured above), and they've been promised that more power is on the way. We've heard a lot of speculation about a more powerful Toyobaru since before the standard model was even launched. The only question now is how the power will be delivered, and among the engine concepts we've already heard about – turbo, supercharger, twin-charged, hybrid – is a new one: more displacement.

Tada said that an engine with more displacement than the current coupe's 2.0 liters is being tested alongside a turbocharged and a hybrid-assisted motor. The SMH cites "inside sources" as saying the displacement option is the one likely to get the go-ahead, and suggests increased bore and stroke will see the engine grow to 2.5 liters, horsepower to about 250 – a 50-hp increase over the present car.

While that's apparently the betting man's solution for the long-awaited increase in gumption, what happens with the next generation could be more wide open than we suspected. According to the report, Tada "hinted that [a successor] could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether." He said once they've sorted out the concept for the second generation car, then they'll sort out an engine. That's where a turbo option could come to market, perhaps the turbocharged four-cylinder Toyota is developing for the Lexus NX crossover or a hybrid system that uses a capacitor.

This leaves us wondering what, if anything, will happen with the (presumed) next generation of the Subaru BRZ. But for now, the cavalry – more horses – is on the way for the current generation, one way or another.

[21_nola_05]

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/21/t...e-displacemen/

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by lbroskee

considering the new WRX and Forester XT both have a FA20 Turbo in them..... If we don't get it as an option with how much consumer begging there is, i'd be shocked

I honestly think there is no confirmation if new Wrex use FA20 or not. I don't think they do. According to their contracts with Toyota. This contract ends in 2015

Unless, if they were allowed to use it, they won't be able to use Toyota DI system.

If it happened that they do, we can simply buy the Headers, turbo, ecu, exhaust...and turbo our BRZ up. Don't you think ?

[SirBrass]

It's confirmed that the new WRX does use the FA20. It's not Toyota's hybrid port/direct injection system, just pure DI. The new forester uses the fb20, which uses the new block but traditional subaru fuel injection.
It's unknown what the new sti will use.

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[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

It's confirmed that the new WRX does use the FA20. It's not Toyota's hybrid port/direct injection system, just pure DI. The new forester uses the fb20, which uses the new block but traditional subaru fuel injection.
It's unknown what the new sti will use.

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Kool! Then it is the time to wait for a Crashed 2015 WRX ... or new OEM parts and Boost your own BR-Z up!!

[SirBrass]

It's still a 2.0L for the WRX, and it's DI-only, not Port & DI. The engine & ecu swap would be a pain, and depending on the tranny, it's different AWD systems too, so no promise that our trans would mate up. And the 6spd in the new WRX uses cables for the shift linkage, not a rod like in the older WRX/STI's and our BRZ.

One would also have to go rotated or something similar on the turbo to fit a FMIC to it, as it's a TMIC setup, therefore turbo at the back of the engine, not forward mounted.

Basically, it'd be one royal pain that would probably cost MORE for less gain than the current ways we can make power on our current FA20 engine.

[husker741]

Originally Posted by 21_nola_05

The Sydney Morning Herald has spoken to Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer of the Toyota 86 (our version of it, the Scion FR-S, is pictured above), and they've been promised that more power is on the way. We've heard a lot of speculation about a more powerful Toyobaru since before the standard model was even launched. The only question now is how the power will be delivered, and among the engine concepts we've already heard about – turbo, supercharger, twin-charged, hybrid – is a new one: more displacement.

Tada said that an engine with more displacement than the current coupe's 2.0 liters is being tested alongside a turbocharged and a hybrid-assisted motor. The SMH cites "inside sources" as saying the displacement option is the one likely to get the go-ahead, and suggests increased bore and stroke will see the engine grow to 2.5 liters, horsepower to about 250 – a 50-hp increase over the present car.

While that's apparently the betting man's solution for the long-awaited increase in gumption, what happens with the next generation could be more wide open than we suspected. According to the report, Tada "hinted that [a successor] could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether." He said once they've sorted out the concept for the second generation car, then they'll sort out an engine. That's where a turbo option could come to market, perhaps the turbocharged four-cylinder Toyota is developing for the Lexus NX crossover or a hybrid system that uses a capacitor.

This leaves us wondering what, if anything, will happen with the (presumed) next generation of the Subaru BRZ. But for now, the cavalry – more horses – is on the way for the current generation, one way or another.

I've read that month old article. It doesn't tell me anything they are ACTUALLY doing. It's all speculation.

[Kelbyat07]

Wow should of came with 2.5 L in the first place...

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by Kelbyat07

Wow should of came with 2.5 L in the first place...

Exactly! Or a 2 JZ and charge 28k for it....NA is fine LOL!!!

[Kelbyat07]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Exactly! Or a 2 JZ and charge 28k for it....NA is fine LOL!!!

2jz! I wouldn't mind paying 30k for it. God damn Toyota...