Phantom Charger Poll

[fenton]

Originally Posted by VR46

Thanks for the response - I'm not trying to be a pain, just trying to provide the perspective of a potential buyer of this system.

Thats alright i didn't take it that way at all. Lots of people are very interested in this system so its good to hear peoples reasoning behind it.

[himbo]

I'm pretty much sold on this product- pending further testing. This looks like a blast! It is definitely the perfect compromise for what most people really want. GaryinNJ, are you in north Jersey by any chance? Can we meet up one of these days so I can see it in person?

And Fenton, if you're looking for a patent attorney, I can set you up with one of my best friends. Great job on this product! He actually did electrical engineering in his undergrad, so that might be of help to you in this process.

[TchDwnUGA]

New member here, obviously bumping an old-ish thread, but still:

I have always counted myself in the group of doubters of the ESC idea as a whole, but seeing the results of this, the quality of the parts used, and the fact that Fenton is not afraid to let multiple people demo his unit, has convinced me that this is something that i'd seriously consider.

I'm worried about warranty issues with doing mods to my BRZ, but the ease of install/uninstall on this setup is very reassuring.

Count me in the group of people that would buy one within 6 months.

Very impressed with this setup!

Keep this updated!

Kyle

[Boosted69]

I am in. Is this where I put my order in? This is right up my alley as a person looking for more power but don't want to greatly alter my vehicle.

I was considering a small NOS system but I feel that is more for racing and not for daily street driving. But NOS is fun.

I was also considering making a similar system but I don't have the time to put into design.

I would how ever be happy to be an early adopter with the understanding that development is still ongoing may be a little finicky. I would even give my experience document and film such as dyno sessions and I am giving upgrade opportunities as product develops further.

My only worry is that I don't have the same car here. My car is a 2.4l and 6 speed auto. I am worried that the slightly larger motor may reduce this chargers PSI output to only a couple of #'s. I really would like it to be closer to a consistent 5 PSI operating pressure. I did see that it was used on a 6cyl motor so my worry is very slight. 30% more power output would be ideal for me.

It would be nice if this kit was able to put out more pressure but voltage regulated itself to what ever the pressure was desired in the car it was in. That way it can grow with the car. As you add other things like exhaust, Intake and tune, the extra boost is available. Even if you don't want more boost you will need more volume of air as the engine will become more free flowing as this system appears it will tapper off if mods are made.

But my hats off to the developers. This is the first ESC I have seen that really has a chance. I have seen threads from all over the web on many other car forums with people eagerly waiting for the product to be officially on the market. So I wouldn't worry about making sales. I would worry more about people messing up the install then saying it doesn't work. And again my hats off to you as this has been greatly simplified here.

I would like a throttle position controller rather than a petal switch so boost can come in gradually rather than a sharp hit like Nitrous eventually but in time. I understand that will take time to develop.

My thoughts on Price. I feel it should be supplied without batteries so You are not responsible for life and worried about shipping, poor connections by the end user etc. If it is low boost and in its simple form you are comparing it to Nitrous than it should be priced similar to a Nitrous system. However, if you develop this into something that is a real contender against traditional FI then the prices mentioned on this page seem correct. I think you are closer to the second and moving away from it being just a simple power adder.

All that being said. Just show me where the add to cart and pay now button is. I can't find it anywhere.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Boosted69

I am in. Is this where I put my order in? This is right up my alley as a person looking for more power but don't want to greatly alter my vehicle.

I was considering a small NOS system but I feel that is more for racing and not for daily street driving. But NOS is fun.

I was also considering making a similar system but I don't have the time to put into design.

I would how ever be happy to be an early adopter with the understanding that development is still ongoing may be a little finicky. I would even give my experience document and film such as dyno sessions and I am giving upgrade opportunities as product develops further.

My only worry is that I don't have the same car here. My car is a 2.4l and 6 speed auto. I am worried that the slightly larger motor may reduce this chargers PSI output to only a couple of #'s. I really would like it to be closer to a consistent 5 PSI operating pressure. I did see that it was used on a 6cyl motor so my worry is very slight. 30% more power output would be ideal for me.

It would be nice if this kit was able to put out more pressure but voltage regulated itself to what ever the pressure was desired in the car it was in. That way it can grow with the car. As you add other things like exhaust, Intake and tune, the extra boost is available. Even if you don't want more boost you will need more volume of air as the engine will become more free flowing as this system appears it will tapper off if mods are made.

But my hats off to the developers. This is the first ESC I have seen that really has a chance. I have seen threads from all over the web on many other car forums with people eagerly waiting for the product to be officially on the market. So I wouldn't worry about making sales. I would worry more about people messing up the install then saying it doesn't work. And again my hats off to you as this has been greatly simplified here.

I would like a throttle position controller rather than a petal switch so boost can come in gradually rather than a sharp hit like Nitrous eventually but in time. I understand that will take time to develop.

My thoughts on Price. I feel it should be supplied without batteries so You are not responsible for life and worried about shipping, poor connections by the end user etc. If it is low boost and in its simple form you are comparing it to Nitrous than it should be priced similar to a Nitrous system. However, if you develop this into something that is a real contender against traditional FI then the prices mentioned on this page seem correct. I think you are closer to the second and moving away from it being just a simple power adder.

All that being said. Just show me where the add to cart and pay now button is. I can't find it anywhere.

This has been covered a couple times but since you are new to the system i will fill you in on the quick and dirty details.

5 psi at redline is not possible without full time FI money invested. 5psi at redline requires approx 20kW of juice, This is will deplete any normal sized battery instantly not to mention the massive investment in upgraded components.

Now that is out of the way we are at about 2psi to 2.5psi at redline with about 3.5kW to 5kW which can be done fairly economically....this is really the sweet spot for the technology right now..... with time this will get better of course.

Depending on how much hp your v6 2.4 liter makes will depend on how much boost you develop. If you are talking about a lazy v6 that makes less than 200 hp this system will develop quite a bit of boost. If you have a engine that is able to make 250 hp with that 2.4L you will get boost down low but it will level off at the top as the amount of air the engine can naturally pull will equal that of which the supercharger can provide.

The TQ250 will "service" engines with 250hp and less.

I am simply the first tester of the product and the one that is trying to capture as much details as i can on everyday operation. I have no stake in the phantom supercharger company.

That being said i have a blast with this thing every day.

[CajunFRS]

Want to buy Twin Scroll ESC!!!!!!

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by CajunFRS

Want to buy Twin Scroll ESC!!!!!!

Want to buy twin charger with ESC and a Twin Scroll turbocharger...

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Electric supercharger = Fail

Forced induction requires air pressure, not air volume. The fan blades move air, not compress it.

100mph air that goes into a hood scoop creates less than 1 psi.

An electric supercharger will work, but the battery power needed is incredible. Like several extra batteries in the trunk, for a few second burst.

Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research before you buy. Good Luck!

This is funny. You obviously haven't done any research. You can start right here.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719

We're getting ~4.0 psi @ 3000 rpm and ~1.0 @7000.

[unijabnx2000]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Electric supercharger = Fail

Forced induction requires air pressure, not air volume. The fan blades move air, not compress it.

100mph air that goes into a hood scoop creates less than 1 psi.

An electric supercharger will work, but the battery power needed is incredible. Like several extra batteries in the trunk, for a few second burst.

Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research before you buy. Good Luck!

[Hanni_0176]

lol... please see http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719

The ESC does use a compressor, and it doesn't just move the air, it pressurizes like the other two forms of FI do.

The only major difference between the ESC and a turbocharger is the fact that the ESC is using an electric motor to spin the turbine (powered by additional batteries) rather than using exhaust gas pressure to spin it.

I'm not sure why I'm feeding a troll, though...

EDIT: Looks like others beat me to it =/

To add to what I said above... obviously a turbo is more powerful than an ESC, and can build much more boost than the ESC is capable of, but it doesn't change the fact that the ESC technology isn't fake. It's also relatively new technology, and we have only begun to see the potential in it. Once batteries become even more powerful and efficient, and as the technology is developed even further, it may surpass the other forms of FI in the future. Here's another good read: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_turbocharger"]Hybrid turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[1086]

In the future, at least read about the item you are criticizing before posting the comment you carelessly submitted...

[Robftss]

<If it is low boost and in its simple form you are comparing it to Nitrous than it should be priced similar to a Nitrous system.>


Yes, It more closely resembles a Nitrous system.

So...what's the answer? Does one include the variables? aka $70-$100/ ~2-3 mins.

[Boosted69]

Originally Posted by fenton

This has been covered a couple times but since you are new to the system i will fill you in on the quick and dirty details.

5 psi at redline is not possible without full time FI money invested. 5psi at redline requires approx 20kW of juice, This is will deplete any normal sized battery instantly not to mention the massive investment in upgraded components.

Now that is out of the way we are at about 2psi to 2.5psi at redline with about 3.5kW to 5kW which can be done fairly economically....this is really the sweet spot for the technology right now..... with time this will get better of course.

Depending on how much hp your v6 2.4 liter makes will depend on how much boost you develop. If you are talking about a lazy v6 that makes less than 200 hp this system will develop quite a bit of boost. If you have a engine that is able to make 250 hp with that 2.4L you will get boost down low but it will level off at the top as the amount of air the engine can naturally pull will equal that of which the supercharger can provide.

The TQ250 will "service" engines with 250hp and less.

I am simply the first tester of the product and the one that is trying to capture as much details as i can on everyday operation. I have no stake in the phantom supercharger company.

That being said i have a blast with this thing every day.

Thanks for responding.
I understand after reading more that it will make the power where need and taper off at redline which almost is a good thing when talking practical street application and not racing. (tranny saving )
My motor makes 190hp N/A and I'm looking to be somewhere in the 250hp range. but thats when calculating traditional boost methods which is where I think I need 6-8psi not 4-5. But as I said that's traditional methods. I'm sure I'd be happy @4PSI near 230hp. Especially if I can make full boost Instantly and will be usable at any rpm. After all, torque is really what I'm after.

I'm Still in. I just need to get a charger and controller. I will make the pipes and connections to fit my vehicle. I do not need a kit specific to my vehicle.

I know they have 2 chargers available. I'm just wondering which one is better for me. An how fast can I get it shipped

[Boosted69]

Originally Posted by Robftss

<If it is low boost and in its simple form you are comparing it to Nitrous than it should be priced similar to a Nitrous system.>


Yes, It more closely resembles a Nitrous system.

So...what's the answer? Does one include the variables? aka $70-$100/ ~2-3 mins.

No... Not at all. This was written right before I realized you had some pricing available on your website.

I was looking for it to be right about where your prices are actually. Turbo kits are thousands and Nitrous can be $500-$1000 when all is said and done. Not counting cost of use over time. It just needed to be in a range where I didn't have to think about just spending a few extra dollars on a traditional FI setup. But I didn't expect it to be $500 either.
You are right where I expected it to be. I'm sure that was no accident either. I'm sure during development you had this in mind.