Throwing the gauntlet down. Gran Turismo or Forza?

[Sully]

So I've recently developed some repetitive strain injuries in my hands. This sharply limits my computer time, which eliminates my computer game hobby.

Well, I still need some electronic escapism to pass the time. So I'm thinking of buying a console+wheel, and using driving games to fill the void.

But I'm not sure where to go-PS3+GT6, or the upcoming xbox+Forza?

Note that I'd be buying a nice wheel with full rotation, not a cheap 3/4 turn one. If that makes a difference.

Also note that I don't own a TV, I'd be hooking this up to my 27" monitor.

I liked Forza more years and years ago...but that was GT3 vs Forza 2, I think. Not sure how much that matters these days.

So! Forza or Gran Turismo?

[ModBargains.com]

Forza... /Thread

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

Forza... /Thread

Are you sure? I have like 300 different GT-Rs you can buy in GT5/6 if you say Gran Turismo is better.

[dem00n]

Both.

[kALMIGHTY]

Go with Forza. More realistic engine sounds, more customization, better driving dynamics, more realism. Gran Turismo is good, but it's not Forza good.

[ichitaka05]

New Forza only have less cars than previous one.

Specially down side is no Nurburgring.

Me? GT. Why? Cuz of these
Toyota FT-86 Concept
GRMN Toyota FT-86 Concept (turbo)
Toyota FT-86 Concept II
Toyota 86 Racing
Toyota 86 Race Car Base Model
Subaru BRZ GT300
Subaru BRZ R&D Sport

& yes, all of em are totally different than stock model.

Don't care for em? How bout these?
'12 MONSTER Tajima Sport E-RUNNER Pike Peak Special
Audi R18 TDI
RE Amemiya RX-7
Lancia Stratos
Nissan R390 GT1
GT Red Bull X2010 & X2011

& lists just keep going & going

[n2oinferno]

Just so we have the breakdown in costs.
Xbox One = 500 bucks
Thrustmaster TX = 400 bucks
Forza 5 = 60 bucks

PS3 = 200 bucks
Logitech G27 = 220-250 bucks
OR Thurstmaster T500RS = 530-550 bucks
Gran Turismo 6 = 60 bucks

So it depends on your pockets. You said you want a good wheel. You're going to be out just under a grand if you want to go with Forza, or 500-800 to go with Gran Turismo. Sucks that all of the old Fanatec wheels don't work with the XB1, nor did they ever get Logitech support.

I love Forza a lot, but I chose the PS4 this time. I may get a G27, and that way if I want to play on the PS4 with GTwhatever, I'm set. In the meantime, I can use the G27 to play PC sims as well. Speaking of which, I don't wanna get all pc master race here, but if you want the most realistic experience, pc sims such as iracing are probably the way to go. At least until we see Project CARS on the new systems.

[kALMIGHTY]

If you already have a PC for games, why not just save a crap ton of money by only getting a wheel to go with your PC?

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by Marchy

I still think forza is a better more realistic game than GT, Forza offers more customization, a better driving feel. The only real downside to Forza is that it doesn't support the logitec wheel. But there are other options out there for you.

signed dude who loved the shit out of GT 1-2 and 4 and made the switch to Forza with forza 3 and 4 and hated GT5 with a passion.

I agree with everything here. I also played the shit out of GT and own 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, in addition to several of the in-betweens like 5 Prologue, and the more rare 4 Prologue and 2002 Tokyo-Geneva. I also have a copy of GT5P signed by driver Tanner Foust after beating him in a race in his Rockstar trailer mini tournament at a Formula D event.

GT5 was awful and I have absolutely zero faith for GT6. On the other hand, FM3 was one of my all-time favorites, FM4 was almost equally as good. FM5 looks absolutely amazing. I'm getting my copy Friday.


And in terms of cars, FM5 will come from the factory with Indycars, F1 cars, and LeMans LMP cars. Support for these will likely be extended to DLC. I am VERY VERY excited to see Indycar in here and will be curious to see how the feel of the F1 cars compares to the Codemasters titles.

[rice_classic]

I think Forza 4 was better than anything that came before it on Playstation1/2/3 and Xbox/360. They physics model was simply superior. Supposedly that physical model for F5 has entered a whole new realm. Microsoft has a pretty good (business) relationship with Formula 1 and some of that data has trickled down to Turn10 and into the game.

My biggest complaint was the lack of steering wheel support. If that doesn't change for Forza 5 I will not be buying an Xbox One or F5.

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I think Forza 4 was better than anything that came before it on Playstation1/2/3 and Xbox/360. They physics model was simply superior. Supposedly that physical model for F5 has entered a whole new realm. Microsoft has a pretty good (business) relationship with Formula 1 and some of that data has trickled down to Turn10 and into the game.

The best/most realistic racing game for console is Race Pro for Xbox360 (from SimBin who are known for their PC racing sim titles, such as GTR2).

Between Forza and Grand Tourismo I like Forza better, but they both fall short to actual SIMULATION titles you can get on PC.

[Rampage]

Just my opinion but it depends on what you like.

For racing sim = IRacing on PC with cockpit, wheel and pedals. Limited car selection and tracks but closest to real racing with suspension tuning.

For racing sim/game = GT5 with cockpit wheel and pedals for realism, controller for arcade style racing game. Great selection of cars and tracks with simpler chassis tuning. Good online competition. AI not so good. Car and tire dynamics are the biggest improvement according to reviews

For racing game = Forza on Xbox with controller or wheel/pedals. Great customization. Great look and sound. Good AI. Driving and vehicle crashes are more arcade like than sim like IMO. I just never got hooked on the game.

I have used all three. If I want sweaty palms and a rapid hearbeat like I used to get when I really raced then I turn on iRacing and climb into my cockpit. If I want more casual competition then I turn on GT4 (soon to be GT5) and climb into my cockpit with the G27 wheel and inverted pedals.

I got rid of Forza, the Fanatec wheel and the Xbox.

[ModBargains.com]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Are you sure? I have like 300 different GT-Rs you can buy in GT5/6 if you say Gran Turismo is better.

I used to be a GT guy when it was on PS2 back in the day years ago, but ever since Forza 3 came out, for me, it didn't get any better. I bought the previous GT when I had the latest Forza as well, and I just didn't like the gameplay at all. Some might say that Gran Turismo is more realistic, but I think the physics on the Forza game are way more honest it feels like. Just my thoughts though after spending years at race tracks myself (yes, in real life, not in the game lol).

[Sully]

Why not both, somebody asked? I'm not buying both consoles and two separate wheels. That's an insane amount of money&space when I would only end up playing one and shelving the other.

I'm a little disappointed in the limited car list for F5, but I despise the inflated list of GT(27 GTRs!). I'm sure DLC will improve both lists though.

I hadn't thought about the computer sims. How do those compare to the console ones? I particularly enjoy the RPG-esque progression, with the incremental improvements through mods and then the jigsaw puzzle game of finding the the right combination of chassis and mods to dominate that particular class of races. Do PC sims have that? I also don't know enough about suspension to effectively tinker with that stuff.

Also, are PC sims as broad and deep? I've never liked the high end super car/formula/Le Mans/prototype races because I'm just not that good at these games.

Similarly are the PC sims as approachable(IE, start with easy stuff before you get dumped into a 600hp viper tuned for easy oversteer.)? Since I don't play the high end stuff, a lot of my replay ability will be rating to win the more approachable races with progressively weaker cars.

Speaking of replay ability, which game is likely to have the larger, and long lasting online community?