"gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp"

[Wyllliam]

For me this car is powerfull enough.

I have to say my previous vehicle was a Yaris hybrid (90 hp) and the most powerfull car i ever had was a Toyota Auris with a 1.6 petrol engine (136hp).
so i'm not really used to high horsepower cars.
I blame the tax regime in Belgium.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Hi ya, shishand ......
What did my engine dyno out at? Hell, I have no idea ..... back then, "power" was measured in how many Fords & Mercurys I could beat in a 1/4 mile ....
humfrz

Dafuq izzit?! #2 + #3 intake ports siamesed and breathing through 1 carb, vs #1 + #4 having their own dedicated carbs? Seems like an even worse idea than the siamesed middle cylinder exhausts on the old flathead Ford V8! Still, it's fun making weird engines go fast...

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Dafuq izzit?! #2 + #3 intake ports siamesed and breathing through 1 carb, vs #1 + #4 having their own dedicated carbs? Seems like an even worse idea than the siamesed middle cylinder exhausts on the old flathead Ford V8! Still, it's fun making weird engines go fast...

Hi ya, ZDan .....

Good to see another old timer out there ....

Well, if I recall proper, the 235 "stovebolt 6" head, had 3 intake ports ..... so, I gave each one its very own carburetor ....

humfrz

[GT86meMR2]

Originally Posted by Wyllliam

For me this car is powerfull enough.

I have to say my previous vehicle was a Yaris hybrid (90 hp) and the most powerfull car i ever had was a Toyota Auris with a 1.6 petrol engine (136hp).
so i'm not really used to high horsepower cars.
I blame the tax regime in Belgium.

This car is not really slow in belgium, thanks to That tax regime we are faster than 90% of the cars on the road :-p

[dirtbike250x]

I think most forget the meaning this car was made, not to be the fastest race car but to be a light weight RWD car it is (a driver's car). You won't get the best lap time at the local track day, but as many of us know the day will end with a great big smile.

Found this article in a magazine at Barnes and Noble today, thought it was interesting with a very nicely concluded statement. It makes me quite proud to be able drive a car that can be compared like this and still come out on top. Toyota/Subaru did exactly what they planned to do, and I think they did it a little better than some expected.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Hi ya, ZDan .....

Good to see another old timer out there ....

Heh heh, not an old-timer quite yet, but getting there!

Well, if I recall proper, the 235 "stovebolt 6" head, had 3 intake ports ..... so, I gave each one its very own carburetor ....
humfrz

Oh, I saw four exhaust pipes and assumed 4-cylinder. So the #2/#3 and #4/#5 exhausts are siamesed a la flathead V8, I guess... So intake seems rational, anyway, 1 carb per cylinder pair.

Hard to believe that's essentially the original Corvette engine!

[Leonardo]

What do people want for 25k base price? Oh yeah they want a 40k car.

I love mine. I was able to afford to buy, mod, and drive it.

Trips to the gas pump don't kill my wallet either.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Heh heh, not an old-timer quite yet, but getting there!

Oh, I saw four exhaust pipes and assumed 4-cylinder. So the #2/#3 and #4/#5 exhausts are siamesed a la flathead V8, I guess... So intake seems rational, anyway, 1 carb per cylinder pair.

Hard to believe that's essentially the original Corvette engine!

Well, that "old timer" thing will sneak up on you.....

To delay the onset, I suggest ..... cars. Forget motorcycles and having affairs .... cause they can hurt you .... cars just cost money .....

Yep, much the same engine .... but the C-1 had a high lift cam and sidedraft carbs. Mine had downdraft carbs ..... cause I had LOTS of hood space ....

humfrz

[PNW FRS]

the number of people who don't know how to drive a car like the 86/BRZ/FRS... keep the revs up where they are supposed to be... know your limits (and the car's) -- and all's good with the world... just keep an eye out for "The Man w/Radar Gun"...

[Vlady]

Don't care about straight races anymore. The frs/brz are amazing on track. And this complaint about being slow? Cmon just add a few bolt ons and a used unichip (quite a few on here) and there is a very noticeable difference. Add some FI? Rip the comp a new one.

[SirBrass]

Straight races are boring. Stomp gas and go. No thrill in that. But factor in that you've got to brake, turn, make the turn, accelerate out & maintain control over the car & then that's when you're really racing.

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[shishand]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Hi ya, shishand ......

Well, let's see, you are 19 years old and I'm 70 years old.

When I was 19, my car (1948 chevrolet) had 85 HP and weighed 3,700 lbs. Now, my car (FR-S) has 200 HP and weighs about 2,700 lbs. So, this "old fart" is making progress ....

However, when I was 19, like you, I didn't feel my car was powerful enough ....... so, I "fixed" it.....

What did my engine dyno out at? Hell, I have no idea ..... back then, "power" was measured in how many Fords & Mercurys I could beat in a 1/4 mile ....

humfrz

Lol i salute you for your experience and mean no disrespect, but the means of when you were 19 and and me now are completely different ! I devote my time completely to my education and my money as well. Paying for this car is already enough, im not planning to invest it to make it faster, it doesn't bother me that much anyways. I was just trying to make a point that everyone has different taste, and more options would be appreciated but you quoted my comment out of context lol.. i think old farts are those that constantly claim this car is perfect as it is, and when some young kid makes a remark about this car, they get there panties in a bunch. basically fixed mindset..

Nice build btw, would love to hear that engine!!

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Dafuq izzit?! #2 + #3 intake ports siamesed and breathing through 1 carb, vs #1 + #4 having their own dedicated carbs? Seems like an even worse idea than the siamesed middle cylinder exhausts on the old flathead Ford V8! Still, it's fun making weird engines go fast...

I dunno but to me 6 divided by 3 is 2.

Triple carbs on a straight six make perfect sense. Two ports per carb works fine.

Four exhaust down pipes for six cylinders does look a little weird but not as inefficient as you might think. Straight sixes are notoriously difficult to design tuned headers for because the firing order isn't ideal. 153624 means each port is not used twice consecutively anyway.

Siamesed ports aren't so bad given the firing order.

Still one injector into,each combustion chamber is as efficient a fuel delivery as you can manage which is what the BRZ has.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Suberman

I dunno but to me 6 divided by 3 is 2.

I had thought it was a big 4-cylinder based on the exhaust pipes.

Four exhaust down pipes for six cylinders does look a little weird but not as inefficient as you might think. Straight sixes are notoriously difficult to design tuned headers for because the firing order isn't ideal.

No issues with the tuned 6=>2 header (then Y'd into a single) on the 3.1 liter L6 in my 240Z. 255rwhp and 225 rw lb-ft

153624 means each port is not used twice consecutively anyway.
Siamesed ports aren't so bad given the firing order.

Seems awful to me. Same firing order makes it easy to have a tuned 6=>2 header with 6 individual primaries. The collector for 123 cylinders sees 1-3-2- and the collector for 456 sees -5-6-4, even pulses for each.

Still one injector into,each combustion chamber is as efficient a fuel delivery as you can manage which is what the BRZ has.

My 240Z had 3x2 carbs, straight shot from each individual barrel into each intake port. Good times, good times...