Is this a good deal for a new FRS?

[Buddhalite]

If you can't find what you're looking for check the inventory in Naples/Ft Myers. There's 2 Subaru and 2 Toyota dealers and these cars don't fit their demographic especially now that snowbird season has started.

[fistpoint]

It's impossible to say without knowing exactly what options it has. The MSRP of an auto 2013 with delivery fee is $26,405 maybe a little more for regional adjustment($30).

So, where is that extra $1500 coming from to get to $27,916? Irrelevant, their discounted price is what matters. Their fees make the deal screwed, see below:


The car tax for Florida is 6%, which is $1493.94 Adding that to the $24899 "discounted" price gives us $26,392.94 which is the price of the car plus tax.

Now the difference between that number and the $27,916 OTD price is what they are charging you for Title and License, DOC fees, and whatever other bullshit they felt like sticking into you. This number comes to $1523.06

Let's read that again...they want $1523.06 for Title, License, and DOC, blah blah blah fees? Holy shit. Have you ever paid a yearly registration for a vehicle? Around $50-75(Texas). That's the "License" part of T&L which is actually registration. The title in Texas is $30 or so, probably similar in Florida.

You don't have to pay a penny of that DOC fee, regardless of what amount it is. However, they don't have to sell you the car. My point is, the DOC fee is NOT required by law to be charged. If they insist, simply tell them to take it out of the OTD offer you made them so it is shown on the paperwork.


http://www.carmax.com/enus/tax-title...r/default.html

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by SoCal909

Heuberger is only a Subaru dealership - we got our 2014 BRZ Limited 6spd for 25900 before taxes. Clint is very easy to work with. Can't tell you about rates because we bought with cash but I have heard their financing is very good.

Wow, great price. Do you know if he offers shipping to Florida?

Originally Posted by Atropine

Oh yeah...
If you live in an area that is marking up the MSRP...it is totally worth a plane ticket and a road trip back from Colorado.

I'll definitely have to get a quote and weigh my options. Thanks for the tip.

Originally Posted by Buddhalite

If you can't find what you're looking for check the inventory in Naples/Ft Myers. There's 2 Subaru and 2 Toyota dealers and these cars don't fit their demographic especially now that snowbird season has started.

Thanks Buddha, I haven't checked those areas at all, I'll give it a shot as well.


Man this forum is great, you guys are really good lol

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

It's impossible to say without knowing exactly what options it has. The MSRP of an auto 2013 with delivery fee is $26,405 maybe a little more for regional adjustment($30).

So, where is that extra $1500 coming from to get to $27,916? Irrelevant, their discounted price is what matters. Their fees make the deal screwed, see below:


The car tax for Florida is 6%, which is $1493.94 Adding that to the $24899 "discounted" price gives us $26,392.94 which is the price of the car plus tax.

Now the difference between that number and the $27,916 OTD price is what they are charging you for Title and License, DOC fees, and whatever other bullshit they felt like sticking into you. This number comes to $1523.06

Let's read that again...they want $1523.06 for Title, License, and DOC, blah blah blah fees? Holy shit. Have you ever paid a yearly registration for a vehicle? Around $50-75(Texas). That's the "License" part of T&L which is actually registration. The title in Texas is $30 or so, probably similar in Florida.

You don't have to pay a penny of that DOC fee, regardless of what amount it is. However, they don't have to sell you the car. My point is, the DOC fee is NOT required by law to be charged. If they insist, simply tell them to take it out of the OTD offer you made them so it is shown on the paperwork.


http://www.carmax.com/enus/tax-title...r/default.html

Whoa, great breakdown, thanks man. Definitely going to have to ask about that, see where they're adding on the extra crap.

From what I saw when I was there, the whole car is completely stock, with the older bespoke upgrade. No other dealer add-ons. They tried to tack on the Toyota Elite guard thing fro another $700-800 which he probably added on to that MSRP.

Can DMV's give you the exact price for a new tag and registration?

[HeubergerMotors]

Originally Posted by SlickRick

Wow, great price. Do you know if he offers shipping to Florida?



I'll definitely have to get a quote and weigh my options. Thanks for the tip.



Thanks Buddha, I haven't checked those areas at all, I'll give it a shot as well.


Man this forum is great, you guys are really good lol

Offering 875 for holiday season now regular. 1000

[hur1ey02]

The taxes can vary a lot by state - this will make everyone's "buying experience" different. I am a Virginia resident, and even though I bought the car in TN, I had to pay the VA auto tax upon purchase/tagging. Florida does this as well, and Florida's rate is one of the highest in the US I believe. Here's an article/thread that explains it. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...tle-in-Florida

I think VA's is around 4 percent now. It went up in 2013 from 3% when I bought my FRS. You can't really get around it, but consider that when people throw out "OTD" prices that are not tagging it in your state. It makes a difference. If you buy out of state, you're just going to have to pay that to register it in FL.

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by HeubergerMotors

Offering 875 for holiday season now regular. 1000

Sweet, I'll be in touch with you soon Clint, thanks. I just can't talk now, at work, but perhaps over the weekend I'll give you a call if you're in.

Originally Posted by hur1ey02

The taxes can vary a lot by state - this will make everyone's "buying experience" different. I am a Virginia resident, and even though I bought the car in TN, I had to pay the VA auto tax upon purchase/tagging. Florida does this as well, and Florida's rate is one of the highest in the US I believe. Here's an article/thread that explains it. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...tle-in-Florida

I think VA's is around 4 percent now. It went up in 2013 from 3% when I bought my FRS. You can't really get around it, but consider that when people throw out "OTD" prices that are not tagging it in your state. It makes a difference. If you buy out of state, you're just going to have to pay that to register it in FL.

This is a perfect article, exactly what I needed. Definitely saving this link. Thanks hurley. Tag and title are actually less than I was expecting... for some reason I thought it was a much bigger cost.

[HeubergerMotors]

Originally Posted by SlickRick

Sweet, I'll be in touch with you soon Clint, thanks. I just can't talk now, at work, but perhaps over the weekend I'll give you a call if you're in.



This is a perfect article, exactly what I needed. Definitely saving this link. Thanks hurley. Tag and title are actually less than I was expecting... for some reason I thought it was a much bigger cost.

I won't be in but just call my cell 719-330-8006

[Whitigir]

Generally, if you have

7-10% off MSRP. It is a super deal
10-15% off MSRP. It is a super clearance sale
15% and up. It is a give a way. It is a dream deal. This doesn't happen often.....the C6 vette now is having 25% off MSRP.

For that said. Heubergermotor is the best seller now. Perhaps he will answer you and deal much better

[Manic]

Originally Posted by hur1ey02

...and Florida's rate is one of the highest in the US I believe...

Aww, that's cute.

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by HeubergerMotors

I won't be in but just call my cell 719-330-8006

Will do! Thanks. My name is Mitchell btw... even though my username is SlickRick... long story... anyways I'll be in touch.

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Generally, if you have

7-10% off MSRP. It is a super deal
10-15% off MSRP. It is a super clearance sale
15% and up. It is a give a way. It is a dream deal. This doesn't happen often.....the C6 vette now is having 25% off MSRP.

For that said. Heubergermotor is the best seller now. Perhaps he will answer you and deal much better

Hmm interesting.. then in this regard.. the FRS in my OP would be considered a super clearance sale!

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by SlickRick

Hmm interesting.. then in this regard.. the FRS in my OP would be considered a super clearance sale!

Sure, their base price for the car is fine. The whole point of them doing that was to make you believe you are getting a good deal while they quintuple charge you for the TT&L.

Just have them itemize every single charge, and point out to them the absurdity of the T&L + DOC + whatever. We already know exactly down to the penny what your tax is.

One of the guys posted a link showing weight based registration...I've never heard of this nor has anything like it ever been on any paperwork for any car I've bought. My T&L has always been around $90-125 combined, clearly listed on the paperwork. With $0-125 worth of extras no one has to pay.

For example, mine shows:

License and/or Registration - $62.25
Certificate of Title - $33.00
Other Taxes - $5.00 (misc bullshit)
Deputy Service Fee - $5.00 (misc bullshit)
Vehicle Inspection Fee - $23.75 (part of the 2 year sticker)
We are at $129 for T&L before the below bullshit is added:

DOC Fee - $50 (don't have to pay, they don't have to sell)
Dealer Inventory Tax - $56.38 (don't have to pay, they don't have to sell)

That's $235.38 for Title, License, DOC, and the various other bullshit fees nobody has to pay, but often do for several reasons. I paid them because the car was selling fast at the time, take it or leave it.

If there had been 5-10 FR-S in my color and transmission choice, I would have simply told them to pound sand on the DOC and Vehicle Inventory Tax(VIT) and saved $106. That's wasn't enough extra bullshit to make me walk away and wait months for stock to fill up rather than them selling within 24 hours of arriving at the dealership. I also get a car that had 8 miles on the ODO, no test driving by kids. That was worth the $106.

Assuming the article talking about weight based registration is correct, your T&L shouldn't be much different from mine($129) before adding that $225 the article talked about. So that's gives us roughly $354 not counting DOC and the various other bullshit fees.

So, taking the $1523.06 number I came up with from my previous post(diff between base car + tax from the OTD), and subtracting the aprox. $354 for your T&L + weight regis fee shows them padding the deal by almost $1200. That means the very attractive $24,899 base price they showed you is actually closer to $26,000 if you correctly add the 6% tax and only the correct priced T&L to come to their OTD price.

New deal for them:
$24899 base car
$1847.94 Tax
$354 T&L + weight registration

Total so far - $26,746.94 offer $26,750 OTD.

If they absolutely refuse to budge on the DOC fee, and you don't feel like shopping around at more dealerships, then pay no more than $200 for the DOC which seems to be common in Florida, leaving an additional $50 for misc stonewalling by them for a grand total of $27,000 OTD.

Offer $26,750 OTD but don't go higher than $27,000 OTD.

[SlickRick]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Sure, their base price for the car is fine. The whole point of them doing that was to make you believe you are getting a good deal while they quintuple charge you for the TT&L.

Just have them itemize every single charge, and point out to them the absurdity of the T&L + DOC + whatever. We already know exactly down to the penny what your tax is.

One of the guys posted a link showing weight based registration...I've never heard of this nor has anything like it ever been on any paperwork for any car I've bought. My T&L has always been around $90-125 combined, clearly listed on the paperwork. With $0-125 worth of extras no one has to pay.

For example, mine shows:

License and/or Registration - $62.25
Certificate of Title - $33.00
Other Taxes - $5.00 (misc bullshit)
Deputy Service Fee - $5.00 (misc bullshit)
Vehicle Inspection Fee - $23.75 (part of the 2 year sticker)
We are at $129 for T&L before the below bullshit is added:

DOC Fee - $50 (don't have to pay, they don't have to sell)
Dealer Inventory Tax - $56.38 (don't have to pay, they don't have to sell)

That's $235.38 for Title, License, DOC, and the various other bullshit fees nobody has to pay, but often do for several reasons. I paid them because the car was selling fast at the time, take it or leave it.

If there had been 5-10 FR-S in my color and transmission choice, I would have simply told them to pound sand on the DOC and Vehicle Inventory Tax(VIT) and saved $106. That's wasn't enough extra bullshit to make me walk away and wait months for stock to fill up rather than them selling within 24 hours of arriving at the dealership. I also get a car that had 8 miles on the ODO, no test driving by kids. That was worth the $106.

Assuming the article talking about weight based registration is correct, your T&L shouldn't be much different from mine($129) before adding that $225 the article talked about. So that's gives us roughly $354 not counting DOC and the various other bullshit fees.

So, taking the $1523.06 number I came up with from my previous post(diff between base car + tax from the OTD), and subtracting the aprox. $354 for your T&L + weight regis fee shows them padding the deal by almost $1200. That means the very attractive $24,899 base price they showed you is actually closer to $26,000 if you correctly add the 6% tax and only the correct priced T&L to come to their OTD price.

New deal for them:
$24899 base car
$1847.94 Tax
$354 T&L + weight registration

Total so far - $26,746.94 offer $26,750 OTD.

If they absolutely refuse to budge on the DOC fee, and you don't feel like shopping around at more dealerships, then pay no more than $200 for the DOC which seems to be common in Florida, leaving an additional $50 for misc stonewalling by them for a grand total of $27,000 OTD.

Offer $26,750 OTD but don't go higher than $27,000 OTD.

Dude, you the man. Can you just come with my to the dealership? hah.

Thanks for this. It's DEFINITELY going to come in handy. Printing this out right now.