"gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp"

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

What they really want is about 20-30 more lb-ft through the midrange, not 50 peak hp.

That's probably true.
Which is why I think 'what these guys really want is a diesel' when I read those complaints. Then I laugh at the ridiculousness of the concept, and move on.

Sometimes, though, I just feel pity for human nature of being dissatisfied with what one could have and wanting either 'just a bit more hp, give it 20-30 hp more and it would be perfect', or 'it should cost a few grand less, and it would be perfect'.

Either way, reading these does not make me enjoy my car one bit less.

[Chee-Hu]

It doesn't bother me one bit as the main reason I purchased the car is for commute purposes with a little spirited driving. I don't have intentions on shattering records or looking cool going over the speed limit on the streets.

[Tien]

Originally Posted by thill

I wont' lie. If Subaru or Toyota had offered an STI version of this car that had an additional 40-50hp and 30-50ft lbs of torque I would have spent the money to buy it. That said, I 100% knew what I was buying and I felt the strengths of the car far outweighed the negatives. 90%+ of the time the stock power is more than adequate and I really don't want/need more power. There are times that I do wish it had more, but I am not committed to going aftermarket to get there. Yet....

I agree with you. It does lack mid range and 50hp 30trq would be perfect.

[frs10]

people who complain about the power are the following:

a) never drove the car before
b) compare the car to a way more powerful car
c) dont know how to drive

[dem00n]

Geo Metro wasn't fast, it was fucking scary. 55 on highway with an approaching hard corner? Fuck that...
First car i ever felt the chassis moving, guess thats how it feels to drive a Morgan huh?

[SkitterSkotter]

Originally Posted by frs10

people who complain about the power are the following:

a) never drove the car before
b) compare the car to a way more powerful car
c) dont know how to drive

This, especially your last item. When I'm really pushing the car hard and maxing out the rev range, this car is damn fast. On a B road really pushing it hard, one would be amazed at the speeds they were able to carry as well as how quickly it will climb into the triple digits. We always want more hp, but after my drop in filter and muffler delete I feel pretty content with the car's power output.

[Mach V Dan]

Originally Posted by 1Cor10:23

This. Coming from a GTI, I definitely miss the torque in the low/mid...

Originally Posted by moomoopanda

More torque sure would be nice..

Originally Posted by boxer 2.5

HP is no big deal to me, but 30 more ft/lbs of torque would be spot on.

Originally Posted by Tien

I agree with you. It does lack mid range and 50hp 30trq would be perfect.

I really, really like the Innovate supercharger setup because it addresses this exact issue. I don't think the car needs a 150 more horsepower. I just want a bit more grunt down low, and a constant-displacement supercharger delivers that.



I'm not saying this as a salesperson. It's just that what many of you were saying was exactly what I said about my own car, and the addition of the supercharger made the power delivery just about perfect for my taste.

--Dan
Mach V

[Demandred7]

Originally Posted by frs10

people who complain about the power are the following:

a) never drove the car before
b) compare the car to a way more powerful car
c) dont know how to drive

I had the opportunity to ride with a professional racer last month in an FR-S and c) definitely has a lot to do with it. The car was bone stock and an auto to boot. We were keeping up with a Nissan 370 and a GT-R in the twisties at Cayuga Raceway and it was only in the straightaways that they pulled away hard. I definitely came away with the feeling of "holy crap! Our cars can do that?!".

[thill]

Originally Posted by Mach V Dan

I really, really like the Innovate supercharger setup because it addresses this exact issue. I don't think the car needs a 150 more horsepower. I just want a bit more grunt down low, and a constant-displacement supercharger delivers that.

I'm not saying this as a salesperson. It's just that what many of you were saying was exactly what I said about my own car, and the addition of the supercharger made the power delivery just about perfect for my taste.

--Dan
Mach V

Innovate, Vortech, JR, Kraftwerks.. They all offer great options, problem is by the time you add the Supercharger, license+cable+tune, better tires, some additional cooling options (oil cooler, radiator), and better brakes you are dropping some serious cash all at the expense of your warranty.

I have been debating this for quite some time and at this point I want to wait and see how these different kits hold up over time and also see if Subaru and Toyota offer something more powerful...

[86-tundra]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Most people that own this car never drive it in the hills, canyons and other places where the road twist and turns like a snake with its head cut off. They drive the car in towns and cities where driving is from one stop light to the next and the big excitement is blasting up the freeway on ramp once or twice a day or drifting around a cul-de-sac.

No wonder they cannot understand why cars like the FR-S, BRZ, MX-5, s2000 and MR-S can all be glorious to drive without more than 200WHP.

This. This right here.

I would not have bought this car had I still been in Houston. Driving in straight lines sucks.

However, now that I live in the hill country, this car works better than most for 'spirited driving.'

Let me tell you, when you're driving these rolling hills with 2 way traffic, I push the car plenty. There has never been a time while driving on some serious hilly and windy roads where I was like 'GOD this thing is slow'. Rev match, keep your RPMs over 4500, take it to a fun hilly, windy, road with not more than a 100yds in straightaways at a time.

That's what the car is meant for.................... Except I still think I'll go FI

[Tien]

Originally Posted by Mach V Dan

I really, really like the Innovate supercharger setup because it addresses this exact issue. I don't think the car needs a 150 more horsepower. I just want a bit more grunt down low, and a constant-displacement supercharger delivers that.



I'm not saying this as a salesperson. It's just that what many of you were saying was exactly what I said about my own car, and the addition of the supercharger made the power delivery just about perfect for my taste.

--Dan
Mach V

Nice that sounds like a very good and reliable hp number. I would say that that supercharger is what this car needs.

[jblmr2]

Originally Posted by ML

Does it bother anyone else when reading other blog sites about the twins, and ALL the comments go like this? "gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp" It annoys me to no end.

The only problem here is reading the blogs. Who are they and what do they know anyway?

[Tien]

Originally Posted by frs10

people who complain about the power are the following:

a) never drove the car before
b) compare the car to a way more powerful car
c) dont know how to drive

Sir you are really negative. IMO when you have a car that looks as badass as the GT86 maybe a little more low end and mid range would match the look. I love my car it does everything well but it lacks some grunt.

[Braces]

People seem to get very defensive about this HP issue .... or lack of. Bottom line: if someone told you ... you could have an extra 50HP for free .... I think most here would gladly take it. I don't feel that an extra 50HP would unsettle the chassis.