Scion tC and FR-S 2014 Monogram Series to be available in early 2014.

[thill]

Originally Posted by ruskymx

True, but if the higher trim level becomes more desirable over time it could maintain a higher percentage of it's original value. Only time will tell and how the used car market values used FRS of all varieties in the future. Who knows, the original may be in higher demand. KBB trade value right now on my car with 11k miles on it is $19,333 in Good condition. I didn't have my used car mgr check Manheim's MMR to see what they are bringing at auction so I don't know what actual transaction prices are.

I am fortunate that my lease ends in June because in northeast PA, sports cars and other RWD's take a little bit of a hit coming into winter. My dealership has wholesalers that will buy that stuff off of us over the winter because they can get them cheaper and hold them until the spring. Color can effect resale value as well. I know a few years ago, yellow Jeep Wranglers would bring "all the money" at auction compared to similar Jeeps in a different color.

Long story short, we will all just have to wait and see how it all plays out.



Ruskymx

I think you have a valid point. I have traded-in and sold privately lots of cars. People are typically looking for cars that have more options, and many of the convenience features like push button start, automatic climate control, etc are quite popular with folks who are used to having them.

That said, this is a rather no frills sports car, not a luxury sedan, so I think that the cheaper base model will still be popular for those looking to find a used model at the lowest price that they will want to mod and make their own anyway.

[jarviz]

I'm gonna guess this pushes the pricing to $29,999. We should get a bet going .

[thill]

Originally Posted by jarviz

I'm gonna guess this pushes the pricing to $29,999. We should get a bet going .

2014 BRZ Limited for manual including destination is $28,390 MSRP.

I think this should be the target for Scion with the Monogram series when you keep in mind that many Subaru dealers are now moving on selling their cars under MSRP. Clint sells his for under invoice which puts you in the $26K or so range for a Limited manual... So target price for most BRZ Limited buyers should be $26,500-27,500 or so.

[Muskokan]

I could see the retail value of normal frs possibly dipping a small amount.
When you look at older civics the ex models are almost always a good couple gs more. Race car wise I know nobody cares, but daily driver wise they are nice to have everyday.

[Meehow86]

Originally Posted by reni

They've taken a page out of the Miata's playbook... a "special edition" every year, and a bunch of people thinking each one will become a collector's item or something...

Seriously, a "special" paint job and a couple minor detail changes didn't make any of those special edition Miatas any more valuable. The 10 series is just like that.

[campy]

Originally Posted by FyeaFRS

All of this should have been standard on the 2013 for the $25k price...

Keep in mind that the fully optioned Toyota 86 in Japan costs something like $35000.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

Easy. Don't want the ugly limited wing, don't want the mouthpiece grill, prefer contrasted tach, leather seats, heated or not mean nothing to me, got tired of the boomerang halo lights and foglight cluster.
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As a 10 series owner, I have no problem with this. There are still only 2500 silver ignitions in the world and will be, plus I got my car a lot earlier to use and enjoy. Honestly all the current paint options don't speak to me at all. Ultramarine's flake is too large and overpowering in person, white is nice but the 86 white seems to go yellow waaay too soon for my comfort. Already have black, PITA color to maintain. No way I'd get argento of silver ignition. Don't do red or orange cars. I'm glad others who didn't like silver ignition now have options.

I'm pretty sure I won't be sad either once pricing is released compared to the 10 series. I also have a feeling the strength of demand of us 10 series buyers helped greenlight Toyota's decision to offer this Monogram option.

The only thing that will make me regret getting a 10 series is if Toyota comes out w/ a KERS Hybrid FRS w/ 2.5L at the same weight at the current car.

Quick, someone start a Monogram Series Registry.

@Anaxilus, that's what I was going to say. I'm happy about this for several reasons:

--Toyota stuck to their word and kept 10 Series Silver Ignition exclusive and limited production, then hopefully retired it. It's not my favorite color (that would be 202 Black), but everyone who has seen it live comments favorably. Conceivably, there will be fewer Monograms built of any color compared to the 2,500 10 Series, but it appears they won't be a limited run.

--Improvements are limited to non-performance features. I'd be steamed if they created another IS300 with the L-Tuned spec stiffer springs, anti-roll bars, bigger wheels and tires.

--Price. Given the option load and $ vs. ¥ forecasts, expect another $2K+ above 10 Series pricing.

I'm happy they're offering this choice while keeping the base car with all of the same performance attributes available to a wider audience.

[Ashybone]

Honestly the only things I want is the led headlights and the spoiler. Everything else I really don't care about. Hopefully parts drop in prices.

[AznKirby]

ahah the tags: "iphone marketing strategy"

[SnapOv3st3r]

If the resale value of the 13 goes down then that's just more good news for me since I can buy one cheaper now, that I've waited this long. And I could just order the headlights of a 2014+ model.

[thill]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

If the resale value of the 13 goes down then that's just more good news for me since I can buy one cheaper now, that I've waited this long. And I could just order the headlights of a 2014+ model.

The headlights are uber expensive. I want to say like close to $1500-2K when it is all said and done (someone feel free to correct me). You would be better off buying a used BRZ Limited. I have seen those selling for $24Kish near me with under 10k miles. Next year you may find a higher mileage one for under $22.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by thill

The headlights are uber expensive. I want to say like close to $1500-2K when it is all said and done (someone feel free to correct me). You would be better off buying a used BRZ Limited. I have seen those selling for $24Kish near me with under 10k miles. Next year you may find a higher mileage one for under $22.

Thought it was only that expensive for the people who had gotten them from Japan dealers? Now that they are being installed on the FR-S by way of the 10 Series and this Monogram edition, I imagine being available in the states now price might go down. At least I was hoping it would. A salesman said they would start including the headlights into the new year models anyway. So, I might go new still. Just don't want any leather seats.

And I don't want a BRZ.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

1) Not really. I'm glad I won't have to pay another $3k-4k for what amount to luxuries. Especially what has been an largely negative user experience with the BeSpoke system. The 2014 Monogram is still, at its core, the same car as mine--mine just weighs a few pounds less, and still drives the same. My only true complaint is standard 2013 head unit. They should have come with the standard 2014 unit, IMO.

2) "Those who waited," if they get this car, will be paying more money, even base MSRP. Every buyer who didn't get a 2013 will be paying more money than I had to. For example, when I got my 2007 tC, it was about $16,900. The base price for the new ones are pushing $20k now. Its a different car at this point, but the MSRP for the FR-S has already increased twice, to my knowledge. Power bump allegedly scheduled for 2015 will increase the price as well. Yet here I will be, car mostly paid off, still tearing through curves and twisties with a stupid smile on my face.

I'm talking from a marketing standpoint with the whole First 86 party, 10 Series exclusiveness; not that elite anymore. Of course it's going to be more expensive, those options are not free.

Based on what I've seen so far, you could pick up a used '13 for 20K. I'm looking for one to run on weekend events and on the track.

I too have a stupid smile on my face when I tear through the twisties... on 2 wheels that is!

[Demotic]

Originally Posted by hunter3232792

hey if you think the frs is a pile of shit

The "FRS" is not a pile of shit. If you possessed the slightest amount of comprehension you'd see that I was specifically speaking about the logo. No matter how you want to put it "Scion" rings nothing but ugly tC's and horribly modified cars.

Originally Posted by Jrohit

I'm sorry, but what do you have again? The same logo.

This Monogram series is definitely tearing this community apart.

No I do not have the same logo. There is nothing but Toyota and Subaru plastered all over the interior of my car.

Scion does nothing but add nasty features to the cars. Glowing logo? Glowing dashboard cover?