Traction Control Question - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Canehda · 10-20-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl

I run PSSs on my Cayman, and they have a shockingly large amount of grip in the rain. From everything I've heard about the stock tires on the 86, I very much doubt that they're anywhere close (and I don't think you would ever have the slightest bit of trouble on a ramp at 20kph on PSSs). If you want a ton of grip in every possible road condition that can happen above 40F (5C or so), the Pilot Super Sports are amazing tires - they definitely are not just for dry roads.

As for the traction control, that's disappointing to learn about the Audi. I like a traction control system that has several levels, and which allows a bit of slip in sport mode. My Cayman allows for a fair amount of slip in sport mode, and I know BMW is similar (even on the x drive models - I've driven an F30 335i Xdrive a couple of times, and it definitely lets the rear end step out in sport+). I haven't had a chance to drive an Audi all that much in a sporty manner though, so I'm not as familiar with them.

Well I definitely know what is being put on the car next spring! Thanks for the info, I'm really hearing a lot of good things about the PSS

And I totally agree with you about the other german TC systems! The bmw and mercedes suvs that my family members own allow for some slip even when the TC was on full! I'm guessing the Quattro system on the A3 is front biased so the TC or stability control tries to slow the car heavily to reduce understeer...

Burrcold · 10-20-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Canehda

Can the rock sound be masked by music or is it more of like a drone that is hard to overcome?

btw are you in the Yorkdale area? I see a white brz in the north lot every time I'm there, It has SS tires on it (the inspiration) and the rims are matte black Rota's... Please tell me its yours, that would be amazing!

It's not terrible but it is noticeable. Obviously with more traction, you're going to get more debris kicking up in the fenders. I don't mind it since it reminds me that the tires are doing their job

And no that is not me at Yorkdale. I'm more towards Mississauga.

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Originally Posted by chrisl

I've never noticed it as a problem on my Cayman. It came with Continental ContiSportContact 3 tires though (pretty sticky in their own right), so I don't really have anything to compare it to that would be similar to BRZ/FRS/86 stock tires.

The Cayman probably had much better sound dampening. The twins barely have anything.

chrisl · 10-20-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

The Cayman probably had much better sound dampening. The twins barely have anything.

I wouldn't count on it. It's pretty well sealed against wind noise, but engine and road noise are relatively unimpeded on their way into the cabin. Of course, that's not entirely a bad thing (the engine noise is glorious), but it definitely isn't anywhere close to as quiet as, say, a German (or Lexus) sedan.

(In many ways, the Cayman is like an FR-S/BRZ/86 made with twice the budget - things like noise insulation and creature comforts were definitely sacrificed for things like chassis stiffness and lightness, but due to the higher budget, it ended up with a larger mid engine, a stiffer chassis, fatter tires, and bigger brakes. Power seats were not standard, and the same is true of xenon headlights and a nav system. On a $60k German car. That right there says something about the design goals, if you ask me...)

roddy · 10-21-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Canehda

Can the rock sound be masked by music or is it more of like a drone that is hard to overcome?

It wouldn't be like drone...more of a tick/ting as the stones hit the inner fender/body. Pulling the interior plastic and covering the inside of the wheel wells with a sound deadner like dynamat will minimize this. I believe there is a how-to in the DIY section (if it bothers you, that is).

muffinz · 10-21-2013, 10:38 AM

sounds to me like your blinker fluid overflowed from the g-forces in the spin and splashed into your ecu and burnt out the traction control module. you're probably lookin at a $5,000 repair plus your car will never drive the same.

stugray · 10-21-2013, 07:04 PM

For all of you saying to not disable the TC.... how old are you?

There was a time when there was no such thing as traction control, and most cars were rear wheel drive, and people used to drive around without spinning all the time.
None of my Porsche's have had TC or any of my Supras.... But OMG he's turning off the TC!!!

And BTW - if you disable TC by just pushing the buttons, you are not REALLY turning it ALL the way off. There is a secret process to completely disable it, but I might scare someone by telling you.

chrisl · 10-21-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stugray

And BTW - if you disable TC by just pushing the buttons, you are not REALLY turning it ALL the way off. There is a secret process to completely disable it, but I might scare someone by telling you.

There's a good reason not to do that procedure though, since (if I remember right), it also turns off ABS, and that really is a useful feature in pretty much every circumstance.

celica73 · 10-21-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl

There's a good reason not to do that procedure though, since (if I remember right), it also turns off ABS, and that really is a useful feature in pretty much every circumstance.

No, it does not turn off ABS.

R.S-HawK · 10-21-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

Dude why are you putting the car into VSC sport on wet, public roads?? Jeeesus.

On the stock tires I'm assuming, that's freaking suicide

chrisl · 10-22-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by celica73

No, it does not turn off ABS.

I must have misremembered then. That's good to know

Unicorn · 10-22-2013, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stugray

For all of you saying to not disable the TC.... how old are you?

There was a time when there was no such thing as traction control, and most cars were rear wheel drive, and people used to drive around without spinning all the time.
None of my Porsche's have had TC or any of my Supras.... But OMG he's turning off the TC!!!

And BTW - if you disable TC by just pushing the buttons, you are not REALLY turning it ALL the way off. There is a secret process to completely disable it, but I might scare someone by telling you.

Dear stugray,

This Unicorn was driving when 'ESP' just meant weirdos on television. There have been several incidents documented on this website where leaving the aids on would have prevented bent vehicles. I'm sure back in your/our old days people were bending cars too, and most likely a lot worse due to safety standards back then.

The 'secret' procedure you refer to is clearly documented and discussed on here.

Best regards,
Unicorn

stugray · 10-22-2013, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Unicorn

This Unicorn was driving when 'ESP' just meant weirdos on television.

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Originally Posted by Unicorn

There have been several incidents documented on this website where leaving the aids on would have prevents bent vehicles.

you must HAVE ESP to be able to say so authoritatively that accidents would have bee avoided if the aides had been left on.
You cannot be 100% sure of that.

However with 100% surety I can say that those accidents could have been avoided if the driver had remained home instead of driving such a scary vehicle.

I'm saying that if driving a vehicle with the aides disabled is "scary" then maybe you should not be driving a "grown up car"

OrbitalEllipses · 10-22-2013, 02:42 AM

TL;DR

Blinking traction light means yore doin' it rite!

Canehda · 10-22-2013, 01:07 PM

So I got the car back and they said nothing serious was wrong and so they quickly reset the ecu to get rid of the wacky code and I was off! The mechanic there told me something similar to @Unicorn saying that the car hesitating to start is nothing to really worry about and that in the rain the car is extremely tail happy. He also said it would make a pretty significant difference to switch to a tire like the PSS or Direzza especially on a car like the brz, because it is so twitchy in the rain.

Being my first thread on this forum, I'm already starting to like the atmosphere

Thanks again guys!

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muffinz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 DGM BRZ Ltd Location: New York Posts: 184 Thanks: 84 Thanked 97 Times in 49 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	sounds to me like your blinker fluid overflowed from the g-forces in the spin and splashed into your ecu and burnt out the traction control module. you're probably lookin at a $5,000 repair plus your car will never drive the same.

10-21-2013, 07:04 PM	#20
stugray Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 GBS BRZ Limited Location: Colorado Posts: 1,925 Thanks: 627 Thanked 1,445 Times in 711 Posts Mentioned: 41 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For all of you saying to not disable the TC.... how old are you? There was a time when there was no such thing as traction control, and most cars were rear wheel drive, and people used to drive around without spinning all the time. None of my Porsche's have had TC or any of my Supras.... But OMG he's turning off the TC!!! And BTW - if you disable TC by just pushing the buttons, you are not REALLY turning it ALL the way off. There is a secret process to completely disable it, but I might scare someone by telling you.

10-22-2013, 02:42 AM	#27
OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,890 Times in 2,903 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	TL;DR Blinking traction light means yore doin' it rite!

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Canehda poverty cause racecar Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ JRSC'd Location: Mississauga, Canada Posts: 792 Thanks: 154 Thanked 433 Times in 250 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	So I got the car back and they said nothing serious was wrong and so they quickly reset the ecu to get rid of the wacky code and I was off! The mechanic there told me something similar to @Unicorn saying that the car hesitating to start is nothing to really worry about and that in the rain the car is extremely tail happy. He also said it would make a pretty significant difference to switch to a tire like the PSS or Direzza especially on a car like the brz, because it is so twitchy in the rain. Being my first thread on this forum, I'm already starting to like the atmosphere Thanks again guys!

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