Performance Frustration, what should I do?

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by Beyer Subaru

Da fuq?

You're a Subaru dealer. Are you allowed to say that?!

[wallace03]

Proud owner of a first huh? sounds to me like you bought this car to be cool, did you at least look at the brochure? The new z28 got great reviews and im pretty sure you'll get lots of tickets with that, GL. Pretty sure this is a troll thread, but i'm gonna feed it anyways.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Porsche

You're a Subaru dealer. Are you allowed to say that?!

I don't think any sane person opened this thread and DIDN'T say that to themselves.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by WhiteThenGreyBRZ

I love this car, I love everything about this car but its lack of torque. This is the second BRZ of mine, and I keep looking at it with the same passion and enthusiasm I did the first time I saw it, or even earlier, when I read everything about its project, a couple of years prior to its launch, but today I had, again, such a bad experience, been beat up by another car at the freeway, and I am not talking about any Porsche, BMW, or any american muscle car... it was actually a four cylinder japanese car, that in respect to all of us, I am not going to say the model nor the brand, but the fact is that such a thing pissed me off. I had spent already over 4k on my new car; Sparcco wheels, 225/45 R17 , Invidia Q300 exhaust, summer tires, lightweight pulley from Raceseng, a Takeda cold air intake, a Carbon Fiber Driveshaft, and a few other cosmetic stuff, like all LED bulbs, Toms taillights, etc... The fact is, I can consider myself a proud owner of the very first car, with a front mounted Boxer engine, and RWD, that has the center of gravity lower than a Ferrari Italia, and now looks as gorgeous as an Aston Martin sportscar, but it still freaking super extremely slow, specially while in that nimble of power that happens in between 3k to 5k revs. So, I am now asking myself, should I expend about 6k more in this car, to solve my issue with a turbo, or should I wait for the 2015/2016 mid-life refresh, with lots of speculation going on within the industry, on how they are going to bring this extra power; if from a displacement increase, to 2.5L from 2.0; if from force induction; or even a hybrid system to boost (I personally dont like this last option)? What do you guys think? I am the only one dealing with this dilemma? I have my mind set in one thing, I would go back to Mercedes-Benz, for sure as soon as the CLA 45 AMG hit the US dealerships, I would trade my BRZ, if until then, the car was not able to bring the pleasure I expect from it. Comments?

What happened to the first BRZ of yours?

By the time you got the second BRZ, you had to know what you were getting, right?

[WhiteThenGreyBRZ]

I spent about six months with the first one, it was a white Limited AT, that was sold as new, but then I found out it was a Demo unit, so after long talks with the dealer, and the support from Subaru of America, I had my car traded for a new one. I had a fair depreciation on my car, so it was all good

[uEih]

Originally Posted by WhiteThenGreyBRZ

I spent about six months with the first one, it was a white Limited AT, that was sold as new, but then I found out it was a Demo unit, so after long talks with the dealer, and the support from Subaru of America, I had my car traded for a new one. I had a fair depreciation on my car, so it was all good

Autos are no fun, I know the BRZ's auto is better than others but still not that much fun. Anyways just buy a mustang as you want speed. This is more of a drivers car that doesn't necessarily care too much about speed, is it fast? Not at all but sufficient, I think so.

[WhiteThenGreyBRZ]

thats not right, I don't like muscle cars, I did not buy the car to the propose of street racing, but I was expecting a lot more agility from a car that had the Caymman as a benchmark on its development.

[bestwheelbase]

Well there's that.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by WhiteThenGreyBRZ

I spent about six months with the first one, it was a white Limited AT, that was sold as new, but then I found out it was a Demo unit, so after long talks with the dealer, and the support from Subaru of America, I had my car traded for a new one. I had a fair depreciation on my car, so it was all good

Glad it worked out for you.

The magazines test this car around 6.3 seconds 0-60. That's not bad given its specs.

But if you like being pinned back in your seat under acceleration, this is the wrong car for you.

Who knows what it will do when modded with FI, but I'd be concerned with heat and durability. But many owners accept the dues they must pay for modding, and that's cool.

This may prove to be one of the most FUN cars we've ever owned. Faster is not "funner." Not necessarily.

But, everyone must make up their own minds.

Some people prefer pistachio ice cream. I prefer vanilla. And it's all good, right?

[WhiteThenGreyBRZ]

I agree with that, but today we have plenty of auto cars fun to drive, even ones that aren't sportscars, thanks to double clutch transmission technology. Prior to my first BRZ, I spent a year with a Mercedes C250 Sport, and it has a 1.8L turbo engine, connected to a 7 speed dual clutch trans, delivering over 220 lbs of torque before 2k revs. and I considered it more delightful to drive in sort conditions, such as gaining speed after cornering, or a simple overtake.

[WhiteThenGreyBRZ]

Originally Posted by Porsche

Glad it worked out for you.

The magazines test this car around 6.3 seconds 0-60. That's not bad given its specs.

But if you like being pinned back in your seat under acceleration, this is the wrong car for you.

Who knows what it will do when modded with FI, but I'd be concerned with heat and durability. But many owners accept the dues they must pay for modding, and that's cool.

This may prove to be one of the most FUN cars we've ever owned. Faster is not "funner." Not necessarily.

But, everyone must make up their own minds.

Some people prefer pistachio ice cream. I prefer vanilla. And it's all good, right?

agree with you buddy, and I do love this car and its concept, I just feel it lacks just a little of torque to be perfect to me. I love its design, the proportions, the concept, I respect Subaru as a brand, I am a huge fan of Boxer engines, and that was it, just a bit of frustration when it comes to accelerating after cornering, or on a mere overtake, sometimes looks an eternity to overtake a truck on the highway, and I am not saying I am willing to race it

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by WhiteThenGreyBRZ

agree with you buddy, and I do love this car and its concept, I just feel it lacks just a little of torque to be perfect to me. I love its design, the proportions, the concept, I respect Subaru as a brand, I am a huge fan of Boxer engines, and that was it, just a bit of frustration when it comes to accelerating after cornering, or on a mere overtake, sometimes looks an eternity to overtake a truck on the highway, and I am not saying I am willing to race it

Like I said, Electric Supercharger. Or Mustang.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by WhiteThenGreyBRZ

I agree with that, but today we have plenty of auto cars fun to drive, even ones that aren't sportscars, thanks to double clutch transmission technology. Prior to my first BRZ, I spent a year with a Mercedes C250 Sport, and it has a 1.8L turbo engine, connected to a 7 speed dual clutch trans, delivering over 220 lbs of torque before 2k revs. and I considered it more delightful to drive in sort conditions, such as gaining speed after cornering, or a simple overtake.

It sounds like you know what you need to do then, right?

You're not going to get that performance from this NA 2 liter engine. I don't believe it is possible to get 220 lb-ft of torque from this engine normally aspirated. Not possible. Not while meeting emissions and durability requirements.

I understand your wishes. They are reasonable and can be satisfied in other cars. Just not this one.

It is NOT reasonable to search for 220 lb-ft of torque from THIS engine unless you're going to boost it, be that with a supercharger or turbo.

When I want that kind of kick, I get in our 2013 Mazdaspeed3.

Good luck.

[WhiteThenGreyBRZ]

Originally Posted by Porsche

It sounds like you know what you need to do then, right?

You're not going to get that performance from this NA 2 liter engine. I don't believe it is possible to get 220 lb-ft of torque from this engine normally aspirated. Not possible. Not while meeting emissions and durability requirements.

I understand your wishes. They are reasonable and can be satisfied in other cars. Just not this one.

It is NOT reasonable to search for 220 lb-ft of torque from THIS engine unless you're going to boost it, be that with a supercharger or turbo.

When I want that kind of kick, I get in our 2013 Mazdaspeed3.

Good luck.

Thanks buddy, but there is something else I haven't mention so far on this post; the fact that cars to me are something very very special, I am very enthusiast about cars, but I am not one of those NASCAR type of Enthusiastic, and maybe not even an F1 type of guy anymore; my fascination by them comes from their design, their hereditary, their technology. As you mentioned, the Mazda 3speed.... I know it is a quick car, and is a bargain comparing to other cars with similar performance, but I would never buy one, just because it does not have any appeal to me, to my eyes, as I judge its design poor, so as its built quality, and not to mention engineeringly speaking, I don't respect them, and it not just because it is a FWD. I used to love the R7s, and for sure these are the last Mazda that gain my admiration and respect.