Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase) - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

BRZer86 · 10-11-2013, 05:31 PM

A RWD sedan on a great chassis shared by the twins, does not sound like a bad idea. I just can't imagine how much more rear leg and head room 4 inches would serve.

thill · 10-11-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by irucremmi

Make it a 5 door hatch and people going to mistake for Panamera for sure.

A co-worker drives a Panamera and I find them to be hideous...

RRnold · 10-11-2013, 05:46 PM

If Toyota is going to expand the FR-S line but with extra doors, I hope they add some more HP. I had a feeling this car was going to get watered down; vert, 4 door...

Demandred7 · 10-11-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by botbs

BRZ 4 door version "hope" will be like the WRX minus the AWD....ahahhaha

Wow! A sexy WRX.

That's a nice change.

Leonardo · 10-11-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by botbs

BRZ 4 door version "hope" will be like the WRX minus the AWD....ahahhaha

Wow, Looks Great! Now if it can weigh about 2900 and have 250 hp (or more if we are dreaming), I think it could work.

SixSpeed · 10-11-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZer86

A RWD sedan on a great chassis shared by the twins, does not sound like a bad idea. I just can't imagine how much more rear leg and head room 4 inches would serve.

It sounds like a GREAT Idea!

SixSpeed · 10-11-2013, 06:25 PM

I'm glad an idea like this is coming to fruition. I just leased the new Corolla cause I couldn't afford an 86/was told it was too impractical for me. Probably when I come off in 3 years, hopefully, I can afford this!

Rampage · 10-11-2013, 06:28 PM

I would look at a FR-S based four door for my wife. Light weight, sporty handling and rear wheel drive with four usable doors sound perfect for her or the two of us when we are driving together as long as I still have my MR-S for my.play time.

Build it.

Tromatic · 10-11-2013, 06:47 PM

In for one if they can resist the urge to add more edges and that retarded Cylon-face grill. Steal a little of the looks from this, stick a six-cylinder in it, keep the handling and overall character the same, refine the interior a bit and try real hard to keep it under 35k, profit.

More this:

Less this:

Hanni_0176 · 10-11-2013, 07:15 PM

Not sure why Toyota is trying to market the FR-S this way. They make a lightweight, two door coupe, rear wheel drive sports car that ends up being a huge hit, breaking their expected sales records, shaking up the sports car market. The biggest complaint has been about the lack of power. Why not focus on satisfying that demand first, before trying to move the car into other markets? Who was even asking for a convertible version?

I can see how the sedan would appeal to some people, don't get me wrong. A minor complaint that I've seen about this car has been the lack of leg room in the back seats. While this complaint pales in comparison to the power complaint, I can see a roomier sedan picking up a few extra sales.

But seriously... all that needed to be done, was to model this engine after the WRX; small twin scroll turbo, top mount intercooler, and a hood scoop... increase the comp ratio to 10:1 (a fine compromise between 12:0 and 8:2:1), with 5 psi of boost (stock). How difficult would that have really been? I mean seriously, model it just like the old 1980's-1990's line-ups. You have an N/A base model and an upgraded turbocharged model. Run the base model at $25,000 and the turbo model at $32,000...

EDIT: Could have been named... the BRZ STi, the FRS-t, and the GT-S 86.

And for those still wanting more power, they will be releasing the MKV Supra at some point...

AsianStyle · 10-11-2013, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

Not sure why Toyota is trying to market the FR-S this way. They make a lightweight, two door coupe, rear wheel drive sports car that ends up being a huge hit, breaking their expected sales records, shaking up the sports car market. Why not focus on satisfying that demand first, before trying to move the car into other markets? Who was even asking for a convertible version?

I can see how the sedan would appeal to some people, don't get me wrong. A minor complaint that I've seen about this car has been the lack of leg room in the back seats. While this complaint pales in comparison to the power complaint, I can see a roomier sedan picking up a few extra sales.

But seriously... all that needed to be done, was to model this engine after the WRX; small twin scroll turbo, top mount intercooler, and a hood scoop... increase the comp ratio to 10:1 (a fine compromise between 12:0 and 8:2:1), with 5 psi of boost (stock). How difficult would that have really been? I mean seriously, model it just like the old 1980's-1990's line-ups. You have an N/A base model and an upgraded turbocharged model. Run the base model at $25,000 and the turbo model at $30,000...

I fully agree. If they can keep weight down I think a sedan version would be good to have too. Essentially have 4 versions. Base coupe/sedan and FI coupe/sedan.

Hanni_0176 · 10-11-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianStyle

I fully agree. If they can keep weight down I think a sedan version would be good to have too. Essentially have 4 versions. Base coupe/sedan and FI coupe/sedan.

Meh, you quoted me before I finished editing my post.

But yes, 4 models would be perfect as it would satisfy exactly what the market is asking for right now. This way, the customers are happy and Toyota/Subaru are happy; it's win-win all around. However, I think they need to solidify the increased power delivery before they start worrying about sedans.

Braces · 10-11-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PR FR-S

If it loks anything like that, I'll take one...

Exactly, but it is rare that the REAL thing will look anything like the concept. Remember the FRS concept? I loved it and was a little disappointed with the actual car.

Lonewolf · 10-11-2013, 08:39 PM

So Toyota claims to take issue with a convertible gt86 because of the added weight, but they are going to make a bigger sedan version with a hybrid (read; heavy) powertrain...okay, that makes sense...

10-11-2013, 05:46 PM	#45
RRnold 2 wheel member Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: JZA80, 997.1, Taco Location: SoCal->NorCal Posts: 4,330 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 938 Times in 480 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If Toyota is going to expand the FR-S line but with extra doors, I hope they add some more HP. I had a feeling this car was going to get watered down; vert, 4 door... __________________

10-11-2013, 06:28 PM	#50
Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would look at a FR-S based four door for my wife. Light weight, sporty handling and rear wheel drive with four usable doors sound perfect for her or the two of us when we are driving together as long as I still have my MR-S for my.play time. Build it. __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

10-11-2013, 07:15 PM	#52
Hanni_0176 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S 10 Series MT Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 339 Thanks: 115 Thanked 231 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not sure why Toyota is trying to market the FR-S this way. They make a lightweight, two door coupe, rear wheel drive sports car that ends up being a huge hit, breaking their expected sales records, shaking up the sports car market. The biggest complaint has been about the lack of power. Why not focus on satisfying that demand first, before trying to move the car into other markets? Who was even asking for a convertible version? I can see how the sedan would appeal to some people, don't get me wrong. A minor complaint that I've seen about this car has been the lack of leg room in the back seats. While this complaint pales in comparison to the power complaint, I can see a roomier sedan picking up a few extra sales. But seriously... all that needed to be done, was to model this engine after the WRX; small twin scroll turbo, top mount intercooler, and a hood scoop... increase the comp ratio to 10:1 (a fine compromise between 12:0 and 8:2:1), with 5 psi of boost (stock). How difficult would that have really been? I mean seriously, model it just like the old 1980's-1990's line-ups. You have an N/A base model and an upgraded turbocharged model. Run the base model at $25,000 and the turbo model at $32,000... EDIT: Could have been named... the BRZ STi, the FRS-t, and the GT-S 86. And for those still wanting more power, they will be releasing the MKV Supra at some point... Last edited by Hanni_0176; 10-11-2013 at 07:33 PM.

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10-11-2013, 05:31 PM	#43
BRZer86 Wattya Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2018 Subaru WRX - Limited - 6MT Location: Dallas Posts: 164 Thanks: 25 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A RWD sedan on a great chassis shared by the twins, does not sound like a bad idea. I just can't imagine how much more rear leg and head room 4 inches would serve.

10-11-2013, 06:25 PM	#49
SixSpeed Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: '14 Toyota Corolla S Location: Florida Posts: 161 Thanks: 39 Thanked 38 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm glad an idea like this is coming to fruition. I just leased the new Corolla cause I couldn't afford an 86/was told it was too impractical for me. Probably when I come off in 3 years, hopefully, I can afford this!

10-11-2013, 06:47 PM	#51
Tromatic Banned Join Date: May 2013 Drives: FR-S Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,232 Thanks: 61 Thanked 1,728 Times in 786 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	In for one if they can resist the urge to add more edges and that retarded Cylon-face grill. Steal a little of the looks from this, stick a six-cylinder in it, keep the handling and overall character the same, refine the interior a bit and try real hard to keep it under 35k, profit. More this: Less this:

10-11-2013, 08:39 PM	#56
Lonewolf Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Moped Location: CA Posts: 4,300 Thanks: 4,905 Thanked 2,132 Times in 1,195 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So Toyota claims to take issue with a convertible gt86 because of the added weight, but they are going to make a bigger sedan version with a hybrid (read; heavy) powertrain...okay, that makes sense...

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