"This repair is not covered by Subaru's limited warranty" RE: 4th gear tranny grind

[Frost]

Whoever says you should drive it like a Yaris hasn't seen me drive my Vitz on autocross.

While I may not win my class, I don't finish last and I certainly beat out better cars with the Vitz all on stock ... everything.

Video here: [ame]http://youtu.be/y0uZJpGeEtg[/ame]

Results here:
http://www.wiredmotorsports.com/pitl/results.php

I competed in the last three events of the season and got better with it (my first season with the car).

As for the OP, I hope SOA steps up to the plate for this. Threads like this really are pushing me away from the twins and towards the MX5 or a used S2k.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

However, I don't expect anything else from a 25k car regardless of the manufacturer.

$25k is a lot for a car. Why would anyone want to invest more in this thing than buying a Cayman?

I can name several <$20k cars that can take full on abuse starting with my Yaris.

At $25k this car had better hold up than Mustangs, Golf, Genesis, etc. And don't give me the this is a different kind of car BS. If a car can't get you back and forth to work reliably then everything is out the window.

I think the main reason this car has been so successful is the Toyota+Subaru (Japan) branding, their rep is building bullet proof cars.

If you're saying they failed at that and the car gets a bad rep, resale will tank and then the platform will go *POOF* IMHO.



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[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

However, I don't expect anything else from a 25k car regardless of the manufacturer.

That's bs right there. It shouldn't matter if it's a $500 or a $500,000 car it's brand new!!! I understand that first year cars will have teething problems but stand behind the product, don't jut say too f#$king bad you get what u pay for. What irritates me is that I believe I found what could be the cause of this and Subaru and Toyota (aisin trans=Toyota btw) and the don't seem to care. I'll be really pissed if they come out with a redesigned trans later and don't offer it to the people who's trannys are already failing.

[ZZT86]

The # on the door of the blue BRZ/86 ? is the wrong way around

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

character assassinate much?

You have no idea how i drive or shift. The speed shift was his term not mine, and I definately dont slam into gear on shifts like that. The tech however shifted slower than my 16 yead old auto civic winter beater.

You can shift quickly without beating on the trans.

This, in fact I'd say things such as a quick rev match down shift you can only hear and not feel if done properly in less than a second.

What about the South Africa TSB on injectors? It mentions shifting in less than .6 seconds if I recall correctly? Why would there be a TSB for an issue that involves "speed shifting" if it were considered abuse?

[Opie]

Originally Posted by Rabble

Customer goodwill is a load of horseshit. That transmission is $8000 in parts alone. No dealership is going to eat those costs.

It sounds like they fucked something up and are trying to keep that off their corporate records. Keep pushing.

Retail is only $2,300 for a complete 6MT...and Goodwill is paid for by SOA, not the dealer.

Originally Posted by Mr.Zoolittle

I was also upset when my cars brakes/rotors were replaced under "goodwill". The owner smoked the brakes and denied it. I will never buy a demo car again.

"smoked brakes" are not a result of a defect, which is all the warranty covers. Failure due to any other cause would result in a denial, or a repair as a goodwill gesture.

Originally Posted by vgi

So turbo actually voids gearbox warranty?! Is this due to more hp/tq?

Yes, the warranty covers defects in the stock configuration. It is easy to surmise that a turbo increases the load on the transmission, something beyond what the factory intended it to do.

Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport

It's worth noting... GL-5 absolutely does not belong in your transmission (unless also GL-4 rated, e.g. Motul). Maybe that was a typo?

The transmission fluid requirement is a GL-3/4 or better, GL-5 is fine.

Originally Posted by feldy

So glad I went with Scion. Had crickets replaced, rubber weather striping, drivers side rear axle, both tail lights and the drivers side window visor replaced. Nothing denied so far. Even had the car on springs and koni shocks and was not denied axle warranty.

My BRZ has had 31 warranty claims (including the free maintenance), nothing denied...it's not a Scion vs Subaru issue.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by Opie

My BRZ has had 31 warranty claims (including the free maintenance), nothing denied...it's not a Scion vs Subaru issue.

My main problem is apparently with a regional parts manager, but it's no secret the Subaru doesn't have the best warranty practices. You may just be lucky with your dealer and their region.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Opie

"smoked brakes" are not a result of a defect, which is all the warranty covers. Failure due to any other cause would result in a denial, or a repair as a goodwill gesture.

well, the car was advertized as and shown as a track toy, so 'the normal' conditions should encounter for heavy braking and if the brakes are smoked - it is a manufacturing defect.
I would want to see an actual document from Subie or Scion defining exactly what "the normal conditions" are. Say... the car has 4 sits and I fit 3 250lbs bodies (somehow) and go to NYC downtown. is this considered normal? because I suspect my shocks would be shut after few hours of driving there.

Originally Posted by Opie

Yes, the warranty covers defects in the stock configuration. It is easy to surmise that a turbo increases the load on the transmission, something beyond what the factory intended it to do.

yeah, I get that part. only most people complaining here have grinding boxes on stock cars. so it is easy to surmise they may be unlucky to develop this grinding (not related to extra hp/tq) after they install the turbo. i would assume shut synchros don't have much to do with hp/tq but rather RPMs and fluid used?

Originally Posted by Opie

My BRZ has had 31 warranty claims (including the free maintenance), nothing denied...it's not a Scion vs Subaru issue.

well, I guess it depends on who's filing those 31 claims and what he does for living. Obviously, common folks are at the mercy of dealership and subaru/toyota reps.

[Ralph Spoilsport]

Originally Posted by Opie

The transmission fluid requirement is a GL-3/4 or better, GL-5 is fine.

GL-5 isn't "better" than GL-4, it's different. Significantly, it's different in a way that can lead to poor synchronizer performance.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport

GL-5 isn't "better" than GL-4, it's different. Significantly, it's different in a way that can lead to poor synchronizer performance.

I think some GL-5 will corrode the brass synchros.


Why do so many people on here claim a replacement tranny is $2500? My dealer wants over $6k ?

Also when I bought this car everyone on here said this was a Toyota built transmission, people here and online reviewers were saying this is the best manual transmission short of BMW.

First the main casting of the tranny says "Subaru" and it is far from any BMW I've owned, how could so many have been so far off base?

Is there a difference between the manual transmission in the GT-86 vs the BRZ and Scion ?


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[Dipstik-sportech]

It may say Subaru on one side but on the other it says Aisin. When my dealer was trying to get me internal parts they had to call Lexus to get some of the part numbers. Gotta love joint venture cars lol.

[Opie]

Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport

GL-5 isn't "better" than GL-4, it's different. Significantly, it's different in a way that can lead to poor synchronizer performance.

Subaru recommends using Subaru Extra-S 75W90 fluid in the BRZ. It is a synthetic GL-5 gear oil, same as specified for the STI transmissions. Both transmissions use brass synchronizers...as do most. Never seen one that suffered from corroded synchronizers.

[Opie]

Originally Posted by regal

Why do so many people on here claim a replacement tranny is $2500? My dealer wants over $6k ?

I'll sell you 3 complete BRZ manual transmissions for $6,592.89, No seriously...or just 1 for $2,197.63...

http://mastrosubarusanfordparts1.rea...5918&makeid=32

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by regal

Also when I bought this car everyone on here said this was a Toyota built transmission, people here and online reviewers were saying this is the best manual transmission short of BMW.

First the main casting of the tranny says "Subaru" and it is far from any BMW I've owned, how could so many have been so far off base?

All transmissions between variants are identical regardless of badge, they are all built by Aisin who builds/built transmissions for the following: Ford, Mazda, Volvo, Chrysler, Toyota, Alfa Romeo, Porsche*

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aisin_transmissions"]List of Aisin transmissions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

*Proof: http://www.aisin-ai.co.jp/english/news/20040916.html