2014 FR-S...Taking delivery TODAY!

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by tiz22

Myths don't usually appear in the owner's manual...

I would beg to differ.

[Chee-Hu]

Congrats!

[tiz22]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

I would beg to differ.

So what you're saying is...You know more about the car than the people who created it? ohhh ok

I was an engineer at TMMC and can tell you first-hand that those japenese dudes know their sh*t!!

[Kelbyat07]

Originally Posted by tiz22

So what you're saying is...You know more about the car than the people who created it? ohhh ok

I was an engineer at TMMC and can tell you first-hand that those japenese dudes know their sh*t!!

Do you believe in breaking in an aftermarket exhaust?

To OP congrats and hopefully you will post lots of pics.

[tiz22]

Originally Posted by Kelbyat07

Do you believe in breaking in an aftermarket exhaust?

To OP congrats and hopefully you will post lots of pics.

Why are we talking about breaking in different parts of a car as some sort of "belief"

It's not a religion...

All I'm saying is that if I design an engine myself, test it myself and then release it to the public with SPECIFIC instructions to keep the RPMs under 4k - you would be wise to follow that.

Not saying your car will blow up if you don't but if you plan on keeping a car for 5-10+ years why chance screwing any of that up by redlining it in your first couple weeks of ownership?

[KritiK]

congrats this is the first day of the rest of your life , enjoy it!!!

[AVodka14]

Was each engine not redlined during testing pre-delivery? If so, is it more just prolonged redlining during the first 1000 mi of driving that is not recommended?

[Phantobe]

I'm curious to see if any of the issues have been addressed mainly...

Crickets, DI, Grinding Gears...

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by tiz22

So what you're saying is...You know more about the car than the people who created it? ohhh ok

I was an engineer at TMMC and can tell you first-hand that those japenese dudes know their sh*t!!

I've owned several brand new cars in my lifetime, thus far. I almost never read the owner's manual because they all read the same and they are all pointless. They have a consistency akin to legal contracts. Drive your car the way you want to drive it off the new car lot. I do and I've never had problems with that methodology. Owner's manuals are written to account for the WORST case scenario.. a total N00B.

P.S. It's great that you are an engineer. You're not the only one..

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by AVodka14

Was each engine not redlined during testing pre-delivery? If so, is it more just prolonged redlining during the first 1000 mi of driving that is not recommended?

Yes, I have seen a video of the engines being bench tested/ burned in. They also take every so many units off the line and take it around a track if Im not mistaken.

I did donuts in a wet parking lot the day I received my vehicle and thankfully nothing mechanical has gone wrong since that day in April 2012.

I think they just want you to be conservative at first so if there is any underlying issue at delivery at least you run less chance of major damage. It is to protect the manufacturer as much if not most likely more than the consumer.

You are all welcome to call me out on this as I am hardly an automotive engineer.

Congrats on NOT being a first year adopter. Read the history books about crickets, taillight leaks, window seals, and other fun stuff that keeps the enthusiast actively involved with his dealer. Don't get me wrong, I love this car!

[tiz22]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

I've owned several brand new cars in my lifetime, thus far. I almost never read the owner's manual because they all read the same and they are all pointless. They have a consistency akin to legal contracts. Drive your car the way you want to drive it off the new car lot. I do and I've never had problems with that methodology. Owner's manuals are written to account for the WORST case scenario.. a total N00B.

P.S. It's great that you are an engineer. You're not the only one..

Right and your sampling is one person out of...a lot of people. Not really a testiment to how well this "methodology" works.

The fact that you point out that I called myself an engineer tells me a lot about how you read my comment. I'm not bragging - simply stating that I've worked with and been apart of the teams that design & manufacture these vehicles so I have a little more experience than most with respect to what goes into the entire process of designing and testing the engine

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by tiz22

Right and your sampling is one person out of...a lot of people. Not really a testiment to how well this "methodology" works.

The fact that you point out that I called myself an engineer tells me a lot about how you read my comment. I'm not bragging - simply stating that I've worked with and been apart of the teams that design & manufacture these vehicles so I have a little more experience than most with respect to what goes into the entire process of designing and testing the engine

It is my belief that if there is an inherent problem with the manufacture of your brand new vehicle, that problem will arise (at some point) regardless how you choose to drive it off the new car lot. Driving it harder is likely to cause the inherent problem to surface sooner. This is preferable, to me at least (for hopefully obvious reasons).

Just because my personally proven methodology is not agreeable does not mean it's wrong.

[TRD-X]

Congrats..!!


Now post some photos or it didn't happen...

[Asinar]

NOTE: The following is written by a NOT mechanical engineer.

Originally Posted by tiz22

All I'm saying is that if I design an engine myself, test it myself and then release it to the public with SPECIFIC instructions to keep the RPMs under 4k - you would be wise to follow that.

Not saying your car will blow up if you don't but if you plan on keeping a car for 5-10+ years why chance screwing any of that up by redlining it in your first couple weeks of ownership?

If, in the course of your testing, you find the engine will have best longevity if limited to 4k for the first 40 hours, would you tell the user exactly that? We know full well that compliance to break-in instructions is poor. You don't want to create a situation where OCD-level compliance to instructions is mandatory for a reliable engine. At worst, you'd give them a conservative set of restrictions so that people who like to toe the line are still covered.

Now that the science of break-in is more fully understood than it was 10 or 20 years ago (when it was entirely superstition), you'd be able to design the engine such that the critical phase of the break-in period is performed at the factory (or at least under the control of the manufacturer). After that, the user is only responsible for not breaking it.

Originally Posted by AVodka14

Was each engine not redlined during testing pre-delivery? If so, is it more just prolonged redlining during the first 1000 mi of driving that is not recommended?

Without engineers from Toyobaru here to explain their reasoning for the instructions, it's impossible to know exactly what they were thinking and the consequences for failing to adhere to their instructions. I share the general assumption that the engineers know their engine better than anyone else; however, the question is what they were trying to communicate to the user.

Personally, I interpreted the break-in instructions as "baby the car" with a basic description of what they mean by babying (less than 4k, no hard breaking or acceleration). Any failure to strictly follow their instructions was less damaging (if consequential at all) than the first couple hundred miles of "new stick driver" (a.k.a. me)...and, from the sounds of it, operating the vehicle in California where they seem to lack 93 octane fuel (which presumably gives you cancer while eliminating detonation).