I'm very disappointed with Toyota..

[husker741]

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

at least i learned that the drive axle problem is more common than i thought

Where are you located in Florida?

[randel_07]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

Is this the fatal flaw of these forums/community? That the moderators keep threads like this open?

It just seems entirely nonconstructive to me...

I'll be a part of the problem for one more post (because I couldn't resist), but let's just stop responding to threads like this. No, they're not the best. Yes, they make the forum/community slightly annoying nor do they add anything, but acknowledging it doesn't help. I'll stop now and just ignore this thread haha.

(In another forum I'm in, something like this would've been stopped by the mods)

[husker741]

Originally Posted by randel_07

I'll be a part of the problem for one more post (because I couldn't resist), but let's just stop responding to threads like this. No, they're not the best. Yes, they make the forum/community slightly annoying nor do they add anything, but acknowledging it doesn't help. I'll stop now and just ignore this thread haha.

(In another forum I'm in, something like this would've been stopped by the mods)

*Let's stop responding, but I'm gonna make sure to be a smartass and respond a few times.*

Smart.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

Is this the fatal flaw of these forums/community? That the moderators keep threads like this open?

It just seems entirely nonconstructive to me...

It is the internet. You have to sift through the silt and mud to find the gold nuggets.

[whaap]

Originally Posted by randel_07

(In another forum I'm in, something like this would've been stopped by the mods)

LOL. In another car forum I was involved in for six years half of the members, if not more, would have been banned. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!!)

[s0sl0w]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

He expected a toyota. As far as it being an early production, low volume car.....I bought the second first gen Prius in my state back in 2000 as a 2001. From day one I've had zero issues with it and I still own it today. I would expect the same thing from any toyota, as I've owned a 91 mr2 turbo, 95 corolla, and a (first gen)2001 prius - growing up my parents owned a (first gen)1989 toyota van, ZERO issues on all. I'm really disappointed with some members lack of sympathy. This should be a band of brothers not a school of piranha.

I'm so glad this isn't a straight Toyota, purveyor of some of the most boring automobiles on earth.

As for my lack of sympathy, I have no idea how he drive, how he broke the car in, how he maintains it or how he approaches his dealer when he has a problem. But I do know all of those things can make a dramatic difference in your ownership experience.

[86 Dreams]

Take the car back to the dealership that said they couldn't replicate anything. If you have proof that they didn't see anything wrong that would be good too. Tell the dealer you want to trade it in for something else and just take the loss. If they come back and tell you stuff is wrong then freak out because they said it was fine. The way I see it you have two options keep the car and deal with the crap or just move on and get something else.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by husker741

I'm not expecting Lexus quality at all. I knew what I would lose getting rid of my Lexus. BUT, Toyota should have better quality and quality control with issues. Although my previous Lexus models weren't sports cars, they were V8's with adequate power and were fun to drive. I understand cars have issues, but they need to be fixed under warranty.

That was my main concern from the get go, this ISN'T a Toyota, it's a Subaru.

You may have expected Toyota service, but that still comes after Subaru quality.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by husker741

I wouldn't have any reason to. But they haven't been fixed. Not one of them.

Fair enough. Sounds like you got the shitty end of the stick. IS250/350's are nice, but it will take a lot at this point not to take a hit on your car.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

That was my main concern from the get go, this ISN'T a Toyota, it's a Subaru.

You may have expected Toyota service, but that still comes after Subaru quality.

Which, in my experience (I've owned 1 Subaru, but my family has owned 7 or 8 of them) is quite good. I would be very surprised if a N/A subaru doesn't easily clear 200k miles with relatively minimal maintenance.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

Is this the fatal flaw of these forums/community? That the moderators keep threads like this open?

It just seems entirely nonconstructive to me...

See the other (now entirely deleted) thread in the wheel/tire section about "Beware of Yoshihara Design/Velox Wheels & powdercoating" thread posted by Super Kaz Racing, that became a flame war and was just deleted by a mod/admin without even saying anything.

Long story short, it seems like if there's enough reason to wipe a thread out completely, they'll do it. But that also means someone has to complain about it via flagging.

Originally Posted by husker741

Through a lot of unneeded comments from immature posters, many people have helped me and pointed me in the right direction to go with their comments and opinions.

Unneeded/unnecessary, yes, but you can also just ignore them. Instead, you come out swinging by calling comments stupid and labeling people as immature...

But in all seriousness: yes it's frustrating to have issues with a car, but it's like buying any tangible asset in life: you have an expectation, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, and if you can't deal with it just sell it (for a loss if you have to) and move on to another car that will make you happy. You can buy a house, and have a disaster happen that will leave you with a fat mortgage and no asset (no insurance coverage), and you can complain on social media all you want with nothing solved.

Your continual insistence to push back on forum members will just make this worse, to be honest. You want to rant? Be prepared for some push back. This back and forth of "having the last word" just sours your experience more.

In any case, "a few dealers won't do shit" doesn't determine the root cause. If they're denying you service because of modifications, you can either 1) remove the mods to get work done, or 2) follow this step http://www.bipac.net/page.asp?conten...enied&g=semaga

Or 3) sell the car and get your IS250 that you want so badly.

-alex

[Brndn704]

lol.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by mav1178

See the other (now entirely deleted) thread in the wheel/tire section about "Beware of Yoshihara Design/Velox Wheels & powdercoating" thread posted by Super Kaz Racing, that became a flame war and was just deleted by a mod/admin without even saying anything.

Long story short, it seems like if there's enough reason to wipe a thread out completely, they'll do it. But that also means someone has to complain about it via flagging.

I wish there was a "best of" section where we could revisit all of these fantastic flame threads. I just love reading them. It's a guilty pleasure. I remember that "BEWARE VELOX" thread. Did Yoshihara get banned because of that thread or was it for something else?

Sorry to thread jack.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas

. Did Yoshihara get banned because of that thread or was it for something else?

Banned because of vendor promo I think, not because they did something wrong against the member.

Thread jacked.

-alex