LOLing at the guys on the370z.com

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Originally Posted by fatoni

now i think we are slowly veering away from the original concepts. i dont think agility has anything to do with power. and obviously a car with a ton of power is going to have a good power to weight ratio. all i was ever trying to do here was say that in the spectrum of production car weights and powers, the cars that are fastest are focusing on the extreme power more than extreme lighness.

You mean the fast car that can reach high top speed, not fast/agile, right? because if you mean a fast/agile car, power-weight ratio matters the most.

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As the argument goes, I still have to repeat power-weight ratio over and over again. Forget about it. This is "LOLing at the guys on the370z.com"

[MrVito]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the mustang gt also corners harder than the miata. power to weight is nice but cars really do need to handle well. i dont think mazda has any intention on building a more powerful miata for a couple reasons. they want that car to be about balance, they already had a f/i miata that didnt sell well, and it doesnt really make the miata any more fun

The Mazdaspeed MX-5 sold very well and IMO was a lot more fun to drive, the only reason they stopped selling it was because the factory they were built at burned down partway through the second year of production.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by MrVito

The Mazdaspeed MX-5 sold very well and IMO was a lot more fun to drive, the only reason they stopped selling it was because the factory they were built at burned down partway through the second year of production.

The MS MX5 flopped; you could get them dirt cheap.

It was sad really... after almost 15 years of bench-racers bitching that the MX5 was underpowered, Mazda built a reasonably priced FI model and very few bought it.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by fatoni

but if you are trying to convince me that power doesnt matter because a car with 500hp is fast then i dont know what to say

I don't think anyone's trying to convince you that power isn't important. Just pointing out that for any contest other than max speed, weight is just as important.

Case in point: My RX-7 has a lightly-modded (222/230 .597" cam, LS3 intake, L92 heads) LS2 V8 in it, makes just over 500hp. Basically, Z06 horsepower. But it did 129+ in the 1/4, which is a ZR1 trap speed (Z06 ~124/125mph). Why/how? Because it weighs ~2825 lb. where the Z06 is at ~3250 and ZR1 ~3400.

Unless you're on the salt flats or a very high-speed test loop, weight is as important as power. Power/weight is everything!

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by fatoni

now i think we are slowly veering away from the original concepts. i dont think agility has anything to do with power. and obviously a car with a ton of power is going to have a good power to weight ratio. all i was ever trying to do here was say that in the spectrum of production car weights and powers, the cars that are fastest are focusing on the extreme power more than extreme lighness.

after about 150 mph ,lightness and power to weight go out the door, downforce is more important after that, a lot of those monstrous hp cars have good down force numbers, i would rather be doing 150 in a pagani than an ariel atom 500... just saying, if i was on a track where i didnt go above 120... ariel atom for sure... i say have 2 cars for the different type of tracks...

edit::or we can add the bmw 8i 0-60 in under 5, 160 mph top speed 80-90 something mpgs... im all down for mpgs and torque vectoring eletric motors to help handling... the new nsx is using that tech aswell.... i bet that nsx will pull some nasty gforce numbers...

[serialk11r]

The V8 Atom has wings right? Would downforce be that much of a concern? Certainly I think the car could use some body panels though.

[dreamspeed]

people need to understand that a VERY small part of the car driving population are enthusiasts...a small percentage of that already very small percentage actually care about handling and going fast on a track.

Most enthusiasts (once again small part of the general population) mainly care about specs, bench racing, looking good etc etc.

I don't know the stats but i wouldn't be surprised if a V6 accord did beat a FRS...at the stoplight...which is where most comparisons happen. I mean how often will you hear a guy say "yah i beat a XXX on the track?" Much less then you would hear someone say "yah i smoked some dude in a XXX on the freeway/at the stop light."

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i can find cars that are not light but are fast but there arent cars that are not powerful but are fast. thats all im saying. i dont know how the 500 hp atom you mention is an example to the contrary. in all those previous examples you end up spending exotic money for common weight. i guess my point is that the fastest cars in the world have the most power but they arent the lightest. i understand that weight is a big deal but all you have proven is that light and powerful cars are fast. we both know that there are powerful cars that are fast. i have yet to see a light car without power be fast

Like I said before it depends on what you mean by "fast" top speed fast yes but fast everywhere weight is huge. The 500hp atom I refer to is a great example in my option considering that these days lots of cars pack that much power no problem (gt500, any srt8, cst-V) all pack 500+ hp but aren't extrmemely fast like the atom cause in conjunction with power it has amazing weight.

I'm not arguring that it only takes lightness to be fast I'm saying that without lightness it takes a hell of a lot of power to be fast or lots and lots of tech.

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

after about 150 mph ,lightness and power to weight go out the door, downforce is more important after that, a lot of those monstrous hp cars have good down force numbers, i would rather be doing 150 in a pagani than an ariel atom 500... just saying, if i was on a track where i didnt go above 120... ariel atom for sure... i say have 2 cars for the different type of tracks...

The Atom V8 makes decent downforce I just find it hard to feel safe when you can see thru the car LOL. I would take a Zonda over almost anything.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The V8 Atom has wings right? Would downforce be that much of a concern? Certainly I think the car could use some body panels though.

It does have a gaint wing


Either way we are wayyyy off topic

[catharsis]

Originally Posted by dreamspeed

people need to understand that a VERY small part of the car driving population are enthusiasts...a small percentage of that already very small percentage actually care about handling and going fast on a track.

Most enthusiasts (once again small part of the general population) mainly care about specs, bench racing, looking good etc etc.

I don't know the stats but i wouldn't be surprised if a V6 accord did beat a FRS...at the stoplight...which is where most comparisons happen. I mean how often will you hear a guy say "yah i beat a XXX on the track?" Much less then you would hear someone say "yah i smoked some dude in a XXX on the freeway/at the stop light."

pretty much anything with a v6 will beat the fr-s at a stop light. This is not a fast car.

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Originally Posted by catharsis

pretty much anything with a v6 will beat the fr-s at a stop light. This is not a fast car.

My car will not.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Either way we are wayyyy off topic

isnt this thread an off topic( not in the sense that its in the off topic threads but about the off topic stuff people mentioned in the 370z forums???) thread? so its ok to go slightly off topic about people talking about off topic stuff... the only way not to be on topic is to be off topic about all the off topic stuff they talk about, right? for example im off topic atm

edit: im really just trying to mess with yall, but even with that said you're still going to think about what you just read and find a long way to be even more confusing explaining how im wrong...

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

edit: im really just trying to mess with yall, but even with that said you're still going to think about what you just read and find a long way to be even more confusing explaining how im wrong...

I didn't even know we were auguring?

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I didn't even know we were auguring?

we were? i was just poping in because i was bored, im starting to cause a mess of things because im becoming impatient about the wait... too many years waiting...