Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[phloozy]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Dat Torque Curve....

Love it!

I think you mean dat torque line, thats pretty nuts

[1010110]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

Lets clear up a couple things.

As with all our other products we WILL cover our own warranty on items. You will not be left out to dry because we stand behind all our products. We have always offered not only our own products but done our best to improve our competitions offerings.

As far as packages go we will continue to offer this to those who previously purchased their chargers from either ourselves or another vendor. This kit was developed on a USDM vehicle dont think this is a simple RHD kit we imported. We are using our own improved capacity heat exchanger, larger capacity reservoir and reinforced nylon braided lines. what this equates out to you is a system that holds more fluid for better heat dissipation as well as a fill-able tank that allows you to load ice for those glory runs on the Dyno or on the track. This might be considered gray market but its got our full support as always.

This is why I buy from these guys. They just GET IT. Missed opportunity for for Innovate.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by phloozy

Why are people poking fun at the gray market comment? From my understanding stateside it is an innovate supercharger and while you can get the intercooler elsewhere innovate will be producing their own custom intercooler that will retain US warranty. Why is this something to laugh at?

I am asking seriously, I genuinely don't get it.

Toni @FA20Club.com just released his "gray market" intercooler which is a slightly modified Sprintex unit today and it sold out in under 10 minutes. Innovate makes a post stating that their kit will not be warrantied with a "gray market" intercooler and everyone should just wait for them to FINALLY come out with their better, cheaper, and unicorny intercooler kit sometime in the near to distant future. You don't find that funny?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

Dyno sheet, pump/meth/70mm/EL header, full exhaust (with both cats(aftermarket) in place)/bolt-ons.

edit: this is not the final tune either. my tuner is working on another one that should smooth things out further.

Please make sure you get some runs done in shootout mode on that Dyno Dynamics. kthxbai

[phloozy]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Toni @FA20Club.com just released his "gray market" intercooler which is a slightly modified Sprintex unit today and it sold out in under 10 minutes. Innovate makes a post stating that their kit will not be warrantied with a "gray market" intercooler and everyone should just wait for them to FINALLY come out with their better, cheaper, and unicorny intercooler kit sometime in the near to distant future. You don't find that funny?

got it, wasnt thinking of the recent release.

[Dezoris]

Toni thanks for posting up some actual data and info.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

Nice. I think with E85 I can hit 300.. but I think that is the end of the line (ie pushing it) for this blower (210). 335 is the next step.


edit: with my p&l (which fit like shit btw), I barely gained any peak hp, but midrange felt stronger.

Have you or anyone else seen a sprintex 335 or similar blower on a 2.0?

Edit: found a few Hondas with m90's and lyshom ax 1600's epic

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Please make sure you get some runs done in shootout mode on that Dyno Dynamics. kthxbai

Hmmm.. I'll have to ask PRE about it. Never heard of it prior to just researching it. Sounds interesting.

I'll be getting some 1/4 times at the strip to validate the new found power. Seat of the pants says it gained significant power.

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

Have you or anyone else seen a sprintex 335 or similar blower on a 2.0?

Edit: found a few Hondas with m90's and lyshom ax 1600's epic

No.. I'm new to modding 4 bangers. Always played with bigger displacement motors. I would venture to guess that the 335 is maybe too big for a 2 liter motor, but that remains to be seen. I know guys with far better knowledge in this area who will help.

[s2d4]

Well, the 335 is quite a bit longer.
Is there even enough room in the engine bay?

[ft_sjo]

Sprintex confirmed to me that the next size up charger will bolt directly to the manifold (the pulley would end up in the same place, too), but would require a new inlet elbow to be fabricated.

[s2d4]

Yeah, the length increase is at the inlet side according to the drawings, everything else appears to have the same measurements.
Thanks for the good info, I'll double confirm with them if I end up going down the SC path.

[regal]

Originally Posted by FRSRAVEN

It sold out that fast? $1300 + $3400 (from FA20 Club for a Innovate kit with tune) is a tough pill to swallow for the performance you get.
Lets hope they can find about 30whp from the IC kit.

I'm with Innovate on this one. The kit makes sense for the power you get at $3400 or so. But for $4700, there is a lot more competition.

Agree and disappointed. $4700 is way too much.

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I agree. the IC is not about the power numbers its about reliability, repeatability and stability of power delivery.

So by this logic the non intercooled kit is un-reliable, non repeatable, and unstable?

Believe me I would be happy with 210whp + increase midrange tq from the $3500 FI kit, I hope the base (non-intercooled )Innovate kit can be made to work without corn or meth . If this is unrealistic it should be made public.

It just seems like tuners are giving up on it with pump gas on the base kit ? Everything I see is E85, E85, E85. Well corn isn't available here and corn is meant to feed the hungry anyway

If these are incorrect statements please provide explain the disconnect.

Thanks

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by regal

Agree and disappointed. $4700 is way too much.





So by this logic the non intercooled kit is un-reliable, non repeatable, and unstable?

Believe me I would be happy with 210whp + increase midrange tq from the $3500 FI kit, I hope the base (non-intercooled )Innovate kit can be made to work without corn or meth . If this is unrealistic it should be made public.

It just seems like tuners are giving up on it with pump gas on the base kit ? Everything I see is E85, E85, E85. Well corn isn't available here and corn is meant to feed the hungry anyway

If these are incorrect statements please provide explain the disconnect.

Thanks

With no intercooler this kit is a giant heat sink. As you drive it, it gets hotter and hotter, which makes the performance results change. So the more you drive the car around, the less power the SC is making (leaving meth and E85 out of the picture).

As to E85. With everything else being equal, E85 is safer than pump gas. If you leave all the timing advance and boost the same, on pump gas, if things get hot enough, you can have knock, which is bad. E85 pretty much won't detonate. You can get similar results by running 106-110 oct racing gas, but in general E85 is cheaper. So yes, most tuners are going to E85 because they can give their customers the ****-measuring horsepower and torque numbers they want. I don't like only hearing about e85 numbers either, since it's basically unavailable where I live, but I understand the performance benefits.


As to the cost: we knew this intercooler kit would be ~$1000 when it was released by itself. This $1300 figure doesn't surprise me. But for the $4700 of the whole kit you get about the same performance the base kit offers, but with the added safety when running pump gas, and the added consistency of having an intercooled FI system. Its not going to make crazy horsepower just because it has an intercooler, but I'd expect the pump gas numbers to get better, and the safety factor will be there.