Ended up not getting a brz

[thill]

Originally Posted by jkonquer

I'm gonna have to agree with this guy on this.

I have driven many gensis both v6 to turbo, and they really are made for those people who look at spec sheets. yes it has big brakes, big power, and RWD. but it is not close being a a drivers car. its for those people that wants a comfortable fast commuter. There is no chassis balance, sporty engine characteristics, fast response, and driver feed back. It literally is a sonata on steroids.

Yes, you can mod it and make it fast, but the limits of it is far less than what brz can be. Gensis is a car that wanted to be g35 or g37. not in a same class as true sport car.

one thing i learned from owning a STI is that you can't substitude weight and balance. its either you have it or you don't. STI might be considered fast car in the track. But the chassis flex and weight distribution is as same class as a honda accord. And I had to spend fortune to fix those problem while sacrifing lot more.

Please. Drive a Sonata turbo back to back and a Gencoupe turbo. There is no comparison. The Gencoupe has better steering, braking, sportier transmission, etc. I agree that the Gencoupe is not a pure drivers car, but in the $30K and under range none of these sports coupes aside from the Miata and FRZ really are. The rest of them are GT cars that brute force their way around a track, but still leave the FRZ in the dust most of the time.

[bestwheelbase]

Follow your heart.

[brzninja]

Should have got with a Hyundai Accent. Whatever.....

[Marcoscrdo]

If i were to pick another car I would of picked a sti or reg wrx impreza i wanted one for years. As soon as i found out about the BRZ i fell in love

[jkonquer]

Originally Posted by thill

Please. Drive a Sonata turbo back to back and a Gencoupe turbo. There is no comparison. The Gencoupe has better steering, braking, sportier transmission, etc. I agree that the Gencoupe is not a pure drivers car, but in the $30K and under range none of these sports coupes aside from the Miata and FRZ really are. The rest of them are GT cars that brute force their way around a track, but still leave the FRZ in the dust most of the time.

Like i said its a sonata on steroids. Thats all its going to be, nothing more.
Btw wrx tears genesis at a track. Seen it time after time, So there are more options. And genesis is a gt car that brute force way through the track. There is no suspension balance, just all power.

[thill]

Originally Posted by jkonquer

Like i said its a sonata on steroids. Thats all its going to be, nothing more.
Btw wrx tears genesis at a track. Seen it time after time, So there are more options. And genesis is a gt car that brute force way through the track. There is no suspension balance, just all power.

It drives nothing like a Sonata. The Sonata has horrible electronic steering, the Gencoupe still uses a hydrolic pump. LSD, brembos, sport tuned suspension, etc. The cars could not drive any different. I owned both, so I know.

Yes, there are more options but saying the Gencoupe is nothing more than a Sonata on steroids would be like saying the FRZ is the equivalent of a souped up Prius because they share the same tires..

[tacoss23]

Originally Posted by thill

It drives nothing like a Sonata. The Sonata has horrible electronic steering, the Gencoupe still uses a hydrolic pump. LSD, brembos, sport tuned suspension, etc. The cars could not drive any different. I owned both, so I know.

Yes, there are more options but saying the Gencoupe is nothing more than a Sonata on steroids would be like saying the FRZ is the equivalent of a souped up Prius because they share the same tires..

He is just trying to be funny with "Sonata" comment, don't take it literally.

The truth is that it's in fact based on the Genesis chassis and engineering. It was not designed from the ground up to be a sports car, not even a tourer. Basically they grabbed the Chassis, R&D, engineering, production standards that were used to develop a sub $20k D class sedan and modified it to make a "sports coupe".

That's the big difference, and the reason it's so different than other options out there. And also the main reason people like us (enthusiast looking for driver's car) don't usually put a genesis right in the top of our list.

Your BRZ to Prius analogy is completely flawed and missed the point. A BRZ was a sports car designed from the ground up to meet that single goal and nothing else. A Prius is a complete different platform...a hybrid from Toyota.

On the other hand, the analogy of a Genesis Coupe to the Genesis Family Sedan is not, because it was in fact developed based on that platform.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a horrible car, I just don't think it should be in the same shopping list of a BRZ/370z/MX-5. Or even a Mustang or Camaro (muscle cars designed for no other purpose than to doing exactly that), even though people compare the Genesis more often than not to those.

A Genesis Coupe has more to do with a Accord Coupe, Altima Coupe or Civic SI than any of those models, because it was a "sport version" of a platform designed to be something completely different (usually D class sedans).

[ericmpena]

i went from a 2012 Gen Coupe to a BRZ. The build quality of the BRZ is far better than my previous Gen Coupe. I've said this before in a post: "You can't fix quality by adding more HP." This seems to be what Hyundai does with the Gen Coupe.

[davidp]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

He is just trying to be funny with "Sonata" comment, don't take it literally.

The truth is that it's in fact based on the Genesis chassis and engineering. It was not designed from the ground up to be a sports car, not even a tourer. Basically they grabbed the Chassis, R&D, engineering, production standards that were used to develop a sub $20k D class sedan and modified it to make a "sports coupe".

That's the big difference, and the reason it's so different than other options out there. And also the main reason people like us (enthusiast looking for driver's car) don't usually put a genesis right in the top of our list.

Your BRZ to Prius analogy is completely flawed and missed the point. A BRZ was a sports car designed from the ground up to meet that single goal and nothing else. A Prius is a complete different platform...a hybrid from Toyota.

On the other hand, the analogy of a Genesis Coupe to the Genesis Family Sedan is not, because it was in fact developed based on that platform.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a horrible car, I just don't think it should be in the same shopping list of a BRZ/370z/MX-5. Or even a Mustang or Camaro (muscle cars designed for no other purpose than to doing exactly that), even though people compare the Genesis more often than not to those.

A Genesis Coupe has more to do with a Accord Coupe, Altima Coupe or Civic SI than any of those models, because it was a "sport version" of a platform designed to be something completely different (usually D class sedans).

the gencoupe is a bit of everything .. it handles better than the z / stang / camaro but not as good as the twins (in terms of driving experience) but it pulls more lateral grip than any of these cars.. which is pretty awesome for a car that you guys don't consider a sports car .. the only car that has a sharper handling in that bunch is the fr-s/brz and honestly while being a sharper car i don't think it's miles ahead of the GC. In terms of reliability i can't say as of yer since the brz is only at 26000km but ive taken the GC 2 times to the dealer for problems in 3 years and 90 000km while ive been at least once a month with the brz and let's not forget that my GC was a first year model... i guess long term reliability will be better with time but the twins have a lot to catch up VS hyundai in that department...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

He is just trying to be funny with "Sonata" comment, don't take it literally.

The truth is that it's in fact based on the Genesis chassis and engineering. It was not designed from the ground up to be a sports car, not even a tourer. Basically they grabbed the Chassis, R&D, engineering, production standards that were used to develop a sub $20k D class sedan and modified it to make a "sports coupe".

That's the big difference, and the reason it's so different than other options out there. And also the main reason people like us (enthusiast looking for driver's car) don't usually put a genesis right in the top of our list.

Your BRZ to Prius analogy is completely flawed and missed the point. A BRZ was a sports car designed from the ground up to meet that single goal and nothing else. A Prius is a complete different platform...a hybrid from Toyota.

On the other hand, the analogy of a Genesis Coupe to the Genesis Family Sedan is not, because it was in fact developed based on that platform.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a horrible car, I just don't think it should be in the same shopping list of a BRZ/370z/MX-5. Or even a Mustang or Camaro (muscle cars designed for no other purpose than to doing exactly that), even though people compare the Genesis more often than not to those.

A Genesis Coupe has more to do with a Accord Coupe, Altima Coupe or Civic SI than any of those models, because it was a "sport version" of a platform designed to be something completely different (usually D class sedans).

the 370z you mentioned also shares a platform with a non sports car. you sound underinformed and over opinionated. is the genesis a true sports car? probably not but for any of the reasons you state. otherwise, we would have to write off the m3, sti, evo, ae86 etc out simply because of their heritage.

[Scalzo]

Originally Posted by davidp

wtf stef? the gc is much more forgiving than my brz, especially in the rain where the brz just wants to dance in every corners lol ..
you've just been that unlucky guy with your genny i think because mine was the most forgiving rwd i ever had..
the 370 is boring btw.. it looks like a sports car but the driving experience is just .. boring lol .. the gc is more fun to drive and gives the driver much more feedback on what's going on

There you are! lol
Why is your BRZ not modded to shits like mine yet ?! :S
I guess maybe i was unlucky, but ever since then I hate the genny, nice looking car, don't like anything else.

My frs isn't tail happy after the mods unless I want it to be.

[Scalzo]

Originally Posted by chrisl

So the genesis handles badly because you're a terrible driver and spun it out in the rain? Also, your response to spinning out and damaging a rwd car was to buy another tail-happy rwd car? Something is wrong here, but it isn't with the Genesis...

Also, the GenCoupe is definitely faster than the twins in a straight line - even if it's just the 2.0T. The twins definitely handle better, but there are legitimate reasons why someone might prefer a Genesis (especially in Texas, which isn't known for an abundance of scenic, winding canyon roads).

Bad driver? I would love for you to be in my situation at the time, it wasn't a oh i'm going sideways i dont' know what to do , *BAM* hit a tree. My car's traction control came off some reason and car spun out. The 1st gen Gencoupe isn't faster in a straightline than the twins, maybe just the drivers. But stock vs stock i'm beaten quite a few 1st gens, the 2nd gens are a bit quicker, but not anymore

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

Bad driver? I would love for you to be in my situation at the time, it wasn't a oh i'm going sideways i dont' know what to do , *BAM* hit a tree. My car's traction control came off some reason and car spun out.

The traction control turned itself off? That seems like a fairly serious design flaw. Even so, the fact that you spun out means you were probably driving too aggressively for the conditions, or you had bad tires (or both).

Originally Posted by Scalzo

The 1st gen Gencoupe isn't faster in a straightline than the twins, maybe just the drivers. But stock vs stock i'm beaten quite a few 1st gens, the 2nd gens are a bit quicker, but not anymore

That's true about the 1st gen, at least with the small engine. I was referring to the 2nd gen Gencoupe, since that's obviously what the OP bought (and the OP didn't specify engine, so it could even be the big engine, which is a lot faster in a straight line than the BRZ/FRS).

[NCItaly]

The way I see it, you can add as much HP to a perfect, low center frame. But you can't change the frame on a high HP car.

However, if you plan to keep you car stock (or near stock), then you made the perfect choice for you.

For me, it's nice to have a car that people assume to know is not too quick and see the surprised look on their face after I slap a supercharger in.