Why Porsche is one of the most confusing brands in the world.

[SkullWorks]

ha you guys don't understand how deep the P-hole can be,

I spent several months taking 14Kilos out of the Tiptronic trans in this car...for a very significant price, (time and labor)

http://www.luxury4play.com/porsche/2...-trust-me.html

[Diode Dynamics]

Don't even get me started on this turd...

Nick C.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Diode Dynamics

Don't even get me started on this turd...

Nick C.

What about it? The way it drives (which is exquisite), or the way it looks (which is awful)?

[Diode Dynamics]

Originally Posted by chrisl

What about it? The way it drives (which is exquisite), or the way it looks (which is awful)?

That rear end just ruins the whole car

Nick C.

[strat61caster]

At least pull a picture of one in the wild...



It's not so bad, it won't go down in the history books as anything special but it is one helluva car.



Edit: @SkullWorks How often is that thing inspected for cracks? Reminds me of the issues they had with the Z8...

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=singer+911+prices

Second link from the results:

http://jalopnik.com/5976614/would-yo...te-porsche-911

Any of the demo cars you see reviewed are all fully optioned and in the $500k range. I might've been off a bit with my original statement, but it doesn't change the fact that they're on average about double what a new GT2RS costs.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Which is exactly why they won't do it. The 911 buyer doesn't want the cheaper the car to out-perform his expensive and more exclusive car, nor does Porsche want to lose 911 buyers/cannibalize 911 sales.

Luckily the friendly people at Ruf come to the rescue

http://www.ruf-automobile.de/index.php?id=88

They'll also do basic 911 engine swaps into a boxster/cayman without all the other Ruf frills.

When the Cayman was first released one of the big magazines did a review of one with a 911 C4S engine swapped in and came to the exact same conclusion you just said. It's how the car SHOULD have come, but it would destroy 911 sales.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Luckily the friendly people at Ruf come to the rescue

http://www.ruf-automobile.de/index.php?id=88

They'll also do basic 911 engine swaps into a boxster/cayman without all the other Ruf frills.

When the Cayman was first released one of the big magazines did a review of one with a 911 C4S engine swapped in and came to the exact same conclusion you just said. It's how the car SHOULD have come, but it would destroy 911 sales.

I'll add a caveat in there: the car is amazing with either the 2.7 or 3.4 as is, I just think the 3.8 400hp engine from the 911s should be an option as well. It could also be incredible with the 3.8 475hp engine from the GT3 (Cayman GT3? Yes please...). They could leave the current engines as lower priced options, but add in the higher powered ones to better fill out the high end of the model line. As you said, it'll probably never happen, but I can dream, right...

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

At least pull a picture of one in the wild...



It's not so bad, it won't go down in the history books as anything special but it is one helluva car.



Edit: @SkullWorks How often is that thing inspected for cracks? Reminds me of the issues they had with the Z8...

Never, it hasn't moved in years

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by chrisl

I'll add a caveat in there: the car is amazing with either the 2.7 or 3.4 as is, I just think the 3.8 400hp engine from the 911s should be an option as well. It could also be incredible with the 3.8 475hp engine from the GT3 (Cayman GT3? Yes please...). They could leave the current engines as lower priced options, but add in the higher powered ones to better fill out the high end of the model line. As you said, it'll probably never happen, but I can dream, right...

Couldn't agree more! If there was no 911, there would be no complaints about the Cayman/Boxster powertrains, but since the 911 engine is available it just teases people with the possibilities.

A Cayman GT3 would be amazing, engine in the right place + proper hp levels = weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Diode Dynamics]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

At least pull a picture of one in the wild...



It's not so bad, it won't go down in the history books as anything special but it is one helluva car.



Edit: @SkullWorks How often is that thing inspected for cracks? Reminds me of the issues they had with the Z8...

The picture I posted was on a city street lol? But yeah, it looks better in the one you posted

Nick C.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Second link from the results:

http://jalopnik.com/5976614/would-yo...te-porsche-911

Any of the demo cars you see reviewed are all fully optioned and in the $500k range. I might've been off a bit with my original statement, but it doesn't change the fact that they're on average about double what a new GT2RS costs.

Did you read that Jalopnik link? In the article they say that the highest powered variant starts at $300k.

"the price tag still stuns. Starting in the $300,000 range,"

Not to mention the rest of the links on the page target starting prices between $190k-$300k

Just because you can buy a Boxster that costs $120k doesn't mean that the Boxster costs $120k, or for a more relevant example, I believe someone on here paid $40k for their FRS...

Originally Posted by Diode Dynamics

The picture I posted was on a city street lol? But yeah, it looks better in the one you posted

Nick C.

The picture you posted looks like a rendering to me, where's the light on the trunk and right side of the vehicle coming from? What city is that supposed to be? Why does the glass on the left have no reflection despite the setting sun behind the shot? At best it's staged and edited promo shot, they always look less garish in reality than the shots Porsche decided to publish.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The picture you posted looks like a rendering to me, where's the light on the trunk and right side of the vehicle coming from? What city is that supposed to be? Why does the glass on the left have no reflection despite the setting sun behind the shot? At best it's staged and edited promo shot, they always look less garish in reality than the shots Porsche decided to publish.

Polarizing filters, remote flashes and photoshop can totally change the lighting of a scene. A good polarizing filter will get rid of all, or most, reflections without needing software at all.

That said, I didn't look at the picture in question, just a general comment.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Just because you can buy a Boxster that costs $120k doesn't mean that the Boxster costs $120k, or for a more relevant example, I believe someone on here paid $40k for their FRS...

I've always had to scratch my head a bit at what you can pay for a loaded Boxster or Cayman - I can't understand why anyone would want a $120k Cayman or Boxster over a nicely equipped 911 C4s, C2s, or even (for a bit more) a base GT3.