Phantom Charger Poll

[xwd]

I think if the tuning could work out, and I don' think it would be that difficult, would be awesome to run it with a turbo or centrifugal supercharger.

[mike_ekim1024]

Two things - I'm in California, so now that I think of it it's probably not legal. Second, I like to keep my engine compartment clean, so hiding the wires is big deal.

[xsnapshot]

As a long-time lurker here, I have a question. Perhaps it's been covered already, but what is this thing capable of with other supporting mods?

For example, full catless exhaust (including catless EL header), drop in filter, 93 oct + Electronic Supercharger and custom tune at sea level? Now what about E85?

I'm assuming the reduced restriction would reduce the amount of boost the electric supercharger could make, but should still increase overall power.

Thanks, and best of luck to this project. I'm a believer and I don't even have my car yet.

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by xsnapshot

As a long-time lurker here, I have a question. Perhaps it's been covered already, but what is this thing capable of with other supporting mods?

For example, full catless exhaust (including catless EL header), drop in filter, 93 oct + Electronic Supercharger and custom tune at sea level? Now what about E85?

I'm assuming the reduced restriction would reduce the amount of boost the electric supercharger could make, but should still increase overall power.

Thanks, and best of luck to this project. I'm a believer and I don't even have my car yet.

A lot of these questions have already been covered in the thread I linked above. It's now a very long thread but I would encourage you to read it.

The short answers on your questions:

No one knows the answer regarding supporting mods. The two vehicles that have produced dyno numbers are largely stock. I believe one tester has some exhaust mods beyond an axle back. In any event, the beta testers are evaluating the ESC as a stand alone system. I would expect to see results with significant supporting mods shortly after production release. But not from me

[Sing4LTS]

I'm waiting to see the numbers with supporting mods. Somebody show me 250whp with 93oct, headers and full exhaust, at sea level, and I'm all over it!

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Sing4LTS

I'm waiting to see the numbers with supporting mods. Somebody show me 250whp with 93oct, headers and full exhaust, at sea level, and I'm all over it!

We are getting there. First dyno was 205 on dyno dynamics....After we went to the dynojet we got the same peak hp but higher baseline(by 10hp).

The tune is still being adjusted so i think we just lost some timing or fuel to lose that 10 hp(dynojet should have made 216hp). Based on those numbers after we added the experimental compressor we gained another 10 hp without tuning.

If we can get our first dyno's performance back and fine tune the experimental compressor we will be at about 230 dynojet HP on 93 octane.

It is unsure how supporting mods will help this system....if anyone wants to volunteer headers id be glad to test them out lol

I think headers will make the biggest difference.

[xsnapshot]

Thanks for the answers Fenton!

I think if you can show this thing reaching the 230whp mark with some supporting mods, you will have a huge amount of people jumping on board.

What I love is the shape of the power with this! Plenty of torque down low, still hitting good numbers up top, and minimal boost required to achieve it.

[Robftss]

230WHP on a Dynojet requires ~7.0kW of power with no supporting mods.

Presently, 208WHP with 4.1kW.

Peak numbers are nice, but average gain and useable torque is the nature of this system.

Note: 10 psi @ redline requires ~+20kW.

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by xsnapshot

[snip] and minimal boost required to achieve it.

Because there isn't any parasitic losses with making boost. That's the real elegance to this implementation.

[PowderfaceTr.]

This is cool if you lift of throttle, like say on the street. Tuned headers paired with velocity stacks would destroy this in every way.

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

This is cool if you lift of throttle, like say on the street. Tuned headers paired with velocity stacks would destroy this in every way.

I really don't want this thread to displace the technical discussion that is on-going in the thread noted in post #1. However, are you concerned about compressor surge? Remember that this unit only makes 2psi at high rpm. So there really isn't anything to be concerned about.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

This is cool if you lift of throttle, like say on the street. Tuned headers paired with velocity stacks would destroy this in every way.

Nobody has made anything like that unless you can fill us in with what you know?

Certainly no header has matched this performance yet.

"Destroy" I think is a misplaced word here.

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[Wild Weasel]

Had to pick the first option as it seemed the most appropriate... though not entirely accurate for me...

[frsvr4]

I used to be sure I would end up with the AVO Stage 1, but now I'm leaning toward the innovate supercharger for it's simplicity... A conservative open source tune and a price tag around $1500 would make this a very serious contender. Cash in hand for any FI setup, but went with 'wait and see 6 months'.