FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

You and Dragon are both clueless when it comes to the GC aftermarket. Stick to what you both know.

Excuse me? Clueless? I was actually going to buy a GC until I realized the performance was not satisfactory to my liking. My sponsor (PTuning) had already developed a turbo setup for the GC and put down like 400whp on their Dyno Dynamics. They never bothered doing production on it because the demand was low.

Where are the stroker kits, high hp, race built GC's at? Don't say someone is clueless and then don't provide links, examples of how supposedly large it's Aftermarket is.

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

But I have a feeling the two will be priced very close together and the GC will still make better numbers and will be making faster laps. Connected to a longer warranty than Toyota/Scion/Subaru - I might just go with the GC.

2012 GC 2.0T
3294lbs @ 210hp

2012 FR-S
2,750lbs @ 200hp

I would take that bet. FR-S has more RPMS thus needing to shift a lot less. Would love to see the two battle it out at the track, and I would put my money on the nimble FR-S over the bloated GC 2.0T.

Performance reviews are getting 0-60 for GC 2.0T at 6.9sec. I see the FR-S being quicker 0-60 and since it's smaller and weight is WAY down, with nearly identical HP...it should scoot around the track a faster than the 2.0T.

[ryude]

He's definitely comparing the FR-S with the 2013 GC, making 274HP.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

2012 GC 2.0T
3294lbs @ 210hp

2012 FR-S
2,750lbs @ 200hp

I would take that bet. FR-S has more RPMS thus needing to shift a lot less. Would love to see the two battle it out at the track, and I would put my money on the nimble FR-S over the bloated GC 2.0T.

Yup, as ryude said, we are discussing the 2013 GC here.

2013 GC 2.0T - 3,362 @ 274hp

2012 FR-S - 2,750lbs (or so we think) @ 200hp

If those numbers on the FR-S are correct, the GC has a much better power to weight ratio.

Still want to take that bet?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

Yup, as ryude said, we are discussing the 2013 GC here.

2013 GC 2.0T - 3,362 @ 274hp

2012 FR-S - 2,750lbs (or so we think) @ 200hp

If those numbers on the FR-S are correct, the GC has a much better power to weight ratio.

Still want to take that bet?

You take the GC, and meet my FR-S at the track. I'd still put it up against it. They should have put the GC on a diet vs adding power.

[ryude]

I'd take driver skill over horsepower any day, too bad I don't have any driver skill

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You take the GC, and meet my FR-S at the track. I'd still put it up against it. They should have put the GC on a diet vs adding power.

If I decide to get one we'll work something out.

I never said I won't get an FR-S/BRZ though, the price just HAS to lean in its favor. If the GC comes in at $22k and the FR-S is like $26k I can't justify getting the FR-S.

Only time will tell which one of these cars will be the better bang for the buck. And even then, they'll be close rivals, and many will cross shop between the two.

I like the FR-S, but I wouldn't be bragging about how well it handles when it gets passed by everything in its class both in the straights and the curves. (Hopefully that won't happen)

[er1c]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You take the GC, and meet my FR-S at the track. I'd still put it up against it. They should have put the GC on a diet vs adding power.

even if it's close, with a mere tune on the gc the fr-s will get spanked no questions...

and the interior on the fr-s is abysmal compared to the refreshed 2013 gc interior. at the same price point it's a wash...i sincerely hope that they price this car correctly...

i will say that i prefer the exterior of the fr-s, those fake vents on the gc just don't belong there...

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You take the GC, and meet my FR-S at the track. I'd still put it up against it. They should have put the GC on a diet vs adding power.

Unless you are in a racing series it isn't about lap times though is it?
The FR-S will likely be spanked day-in day-out by similarly priced sporty new cars, but how you are getting around should be more important than how fast you are getting around at a trackday/HP driving school

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

If I decide to get one we'll work something out.

I never said I won't get an FR-S/BRZ though, the price just HAS to lean in its favor. If the GC comes in at $22k and the FR-S is like $26k I can't justify getting the FR-S.

Only time will tell which one of these cars will be the better bang for the buck. And even then, they'll be close rivals, and many will cross shop between the two.

I like the FR-S, but I wouldn't be bragging about how well it handles when it gets passed by everything in its class both in the straights and the curves. (Hopefully that won't happen)

I would just buy another 350z in that case. The GC is to ugly imo...so there is no way I would buy it. I would just go back into a 350. But doubt the FR-S will be $26k so I'm not worried.

What it lacks in the straights can be made up in the curves....been there, done that.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by er1c

even if it's close, with a mere tune on the gc the fr-s will get spanked no questions...

and the interior on the fr-s is abysmal compared to the refreshed 2013 gc interior. at the same price point it's a wash...i sincerely hope that they price this car correctly...

i will say that i prefer the exterior of the fr-s, those fake vents on the gc just don't belong there...

A "mere" tune is what we call....Modification. If you open the book up to mods....then that's a different world and it is not based on cars stock roots. If it were based on that, then you wouldn't see Civics beating Corvettes at the drag strip or something.

I can handle a bare bones interior...the exterior is what people see first. And the GC shares the face of a Veloster....seriously? Looks like someone tried to put a fire out on it's face with an Ice Pick. I don't like the interior of the GC, looks like it belongs in a 4door family sedan. Doesn't look like the "fighter" style ****pit I'm use to seeing out of sports cars.

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Unless you are in a racing series it isn't about lap times though is it?
The FR-S will likely be spanked day-in day-out by similarly priced sporty new cars, but how you are getting around should be more important than how fast you are getting around at a trackday/HP driving school

I do HPDE's all the time. When you take a low powered car, and you scoot past V8's....they recognize the skill

Not that I'm low powered anymore, but when I was...they couldn't understand how a 160hp car was passing them and disappearing around the corners.

[SUB-FT86]

[QUOTE=Dragonitti;117667]Excuse me? Clueless? I was actually going to buy a GC until I realized the performance was not satisfactory to my liking. My sponsor (PTuning) had already developed a turbo setup for the GC and put down like 400whp on their Dyno Dynamics. They never bothered doing production on it because the demand was low.

Where are the stroker kits, high hp, race built GC's at? Don't say someone is clueless and then don't provide links, examples of how supposedly large it's Aftermarket is.

I have been following the GC since 08 and you can go to Gencoupe.com to find out for yourself. I have seen all the sites that have lots of aftermarket parts for the GC. You and that other guy make it seem like there is nothing for the GC when I bet the FR-S won't have a stroker kit also. The FR-S won't be cheap to modify like your Tc considering it has a high CR and D/I combine. Hell even the drift FR-S isn't a FA20 turbo but the Rhys Millen Genesis coupe V6 is 70% stock internals.

[er1c]

^ pretty sure beyond redline offers a stroker kit.

Bare bones is giving that interior a little too much credit, just cause they wanted to bring back the ae86 doesn't mean they needed such an outdated look. You realize you spend most of the time inside the car, not staring at it?

When I suggested the tune, its just to prove the gc has more potential then the fr-s and will respond better to mods already being boosted from factory. So in the end at the same price point its a no brainer performance wise. And honestly if either car were to be a dd, where would the "superior" handling shine through on public roads? Its mostly about acceleration. At least the fr-s has looks

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I do HPDE's all the time. When you take a low powered car, and you scoot past V8's....they recognize the skill

Not that I'm low powered anymore, but when I was...they couldn't understand how a 160hp car was passing them and disappearing around the corners.

That's great that you are a skilled driver and pass people at track days. I am sure I would be letting you bye me quite quickly.

Now if you spent 1/2 a day lapping in the 2013 GC and 1/2 day lapping in the FR-S I would think - obviously this is just statsheet driving - you would pass more people in the GC than the FR-S. Again this has nothing to do with enjoyment levels - I've never given a toss to who passes whom - but the GC should be a very capable and pacey car.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I would just buy another 350z in that case. The GC is to ugly imo...so there is no way I would buy it. I would just go back into a 350. But doubt the FR-S will be $26k so I'm not worried.

Cool, have fun fitting 4 people in your 350z. The GC and FR-S are both 2+2s. That's one main reason that makes this argument valid, as many of us want the extra seats - Not to turn it into a weekend track car. We aren't talking about Z cars.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

What it lacks in the straights can be made up in the curves....been there, done that.

That saying only goes so far, the GC is going to have its fair share of changes in the handling department as well. Just because the FR-S has been marketed as being one of the best handling cars around doesn't mean that the GC won't stand a chance, especially being that it will pack more power. You have to find the middle ground. Seems like the GC will possibly be closer to the fine line than the FR-S when it comes to power/handling combined.