Scion 10 series parts

[SS4goku]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Thank you TRD-X, theTRDshop, Shock_r, and ohnoimcought for taking us all to school, we have all learned a valuable lesson today. I'm so grateful I leave this bunny with a pancake on it's head for your collective enjoyment.

Awesome!!! I am still waiting for the headlights to show availability in my region before I try placing another order. Since I work at a dealer, Toyota needs a VIN for certain parts; although, I know some dealers who have used VINs from the cars on their lot to get some limited parts. I am still trying to get the headlights for a few local non 10 series owners. I really wish those headlights came stock haha. Not trying to say it's impossible, I am just trying to help.

[Calavera]

Someone please install and let me know if this is a simple unplug old and plug new and voila your FRS now has eyebrows!!

[Frstorm]

My dealer ordered me the series ten AT shift knob.

[frs10]

Originally Posted by Frstorm

My dealer ordered me the series ten AT shift knob.

[@Art_Mighty]

This...

Originally Posted by ohnoimcaught

Some people get really butthurt when you tell them no. I work at a dealership, Cincinnati Region Parts Distributor told us you have to have VIN to order them. I just attended our regional Scion 10th event, all the Scion/Toyota execs and reps were there to show us dealers a good time. I spoke with every official there multiple times about a plethora of things, and they said no about the ten series stuff.

Just because your dealership didn't follow the rules, and broke them, doesn't mean all dealers do.

People say "no" all of the time. Some "no's" mean more than others. Specifically in the case of these headlights what does that "NO" actually mean and where specifically where does that "no" come from? The staff at a franchised dealer says "no" to a customer in this case because they are licensed to sell their parts in exchange for abiding to certain terms and conditions. They are saying "no" on behalf of the manufacture, not themselves.

Manufactures are out to protect their business interests, so when they say "no" it's benefits them; not the franchisees who could be profiting from the sale or the customer willing to buy. Manufactures say "no" to limit their liability, support their brand efforts and for logistical reasons. In this case Toyota desires that these parts are only available to 10 Series owners to support the plans of their Scion brand managers and to limit issues caused when customers make "unauthorized" modifications to products.

The "no" I hear at a parts counter is meaningless to me because it's not really the parts guy who is saying it. The rules in this case only benefit Toyota. If my dealer "broke the rules", it was clearly in their interest to do so (and one dealer made a lot of profit on two parts today). As for me it's not in my best interest to respect Toyota's intention so in this case, I didn't.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Calavera

Someone please install and let me know if this is a simple unplug old and plug new and voila your FRS now has eyebrows!!

There's bound to be differences, for example there's a DRL resistor with a common FR-S that should be missing with the 10 Series because it's not needed. Also as FiRStsc10n noted, there's that whole LED w/HID thing to figure out. I'm in need of an FR-S specific wiring diagram if someone could point me in the right direction.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by TRD-X

@@Art_Mighty no one was trying to school you just telling you how the Toyota parts system is suppose to work.

I have zero problems with you guys buying the 10 Series parts as you don't have the paint or release badge so it's not a big deal.

Cool. From my perspective the VIN system is great because it ensures that parts correctly applied during repair. With so many possible combinations of options and colors it's clearly the best solution to the problem.

To me the most amazing thing about all of this is how difficult Toyota has made it to get a pair of headlights. I can literally drive a mile down the road and order anything I want from a Subaru dealer including a set of BRZ headlights, no VIN needed.

[azian_advanced]

The DIY forum has a thread with the wiring diagrams you need.

[FiRStsc10n]

Not that I would do this, or that I care if people pay the hefty fee for the headlights, all the power to them. but as i look back and read the controversy in this thread i cant help but wonder if a class action lawsuit by a group of 10 owners against Toyota citing your dealers actions and falsification of proof of ownership for parts would get their money back for the headlights part of 10 series price hike due to false advertising and statements about all the parts being unique and limited to the 10 series.

[Fonzie517]

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

Not that I would do this, or that I care if people pay the hefty fee for the headlights, all the power to them. but as i look back and read the controversy in this thread i cant help but wonder if a class action lawsuit by a group of 10 owners against Toyota citing your dealers actions and of proof of ownership for parts would get their money back for the headlights part of 10 series price hike due to false advertising and statements about all the parts being unique and limited to the 10 series.

That's like BRZ Limited owners sueing Subaru for selling spoilers to Premium owners.

Get off your high horse and find a clue. Our dealers' actions are not grounds for anything. Y'all are acting like we had to sneak around a dimly lit parts warehouse and rob these poor Series 10 owners of parts that are held behind lock and key. NEWSFLASH! The majority of the 86s that roll off the line have these parts installed. What makes your car so special?

[Ghost 86]

Originally Posted by Fonzie517

That's like BRZ Limited owners sueing Subaru for selling spoilers to Premium owners.

Get off your high horse and find a clue. Our dealers' actions are not grounds for anything. Y'all are acting like we had to sneak around a dimly lit parts warehouse and rob these poor Series 10 owners of parts that are held behind lock and key. NEWSFLASH! The majority of the 86s that roll off the line have these parts installed. What makes your car so special?

They have light up badges and stuff do you? Lol

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

Not that I would do this, or that I care if people pay the hefty fee for the headlights, all the power to them. but as i look back and read the controversy in this thread i cant help but wonder if a class action lawsuit by a group of 10 owners against Toyota citing your dealers actions and falsification of proof of ownership for parts would get their money back for the headlights part of 10 series price hike due to false advertising and statements about all the parts being unique and limited to the 10 series.

Yup, better sue them. Rest of the world already has access to these headlights. In fact, if someone wanted them and was willing to pay the premium to have them, they already could have before the 10 Series even came out.

I think really the only exclusive parts are the light up badges, interior trim, shift knob, etc.

[TRD-X]

Originally Posted by Fonzie517

That's like BRZ Limited owners sueing Subaru for selling spoilers to Premium owners.

Get off your high horse and find a clue. Our dealers' actions are not grounds for anything. Y'all are acting like we had to sneak around a dimly lit parts warehouse and rob these poor Series 10 owners of parts that are held behind lock and key. NEWSFLASH! The majority of the 86s that roll off the line have these parts installed. What makes your car so special?

There's no point in disrespecting another 86 owners.

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Yup, better sue them. Rest of the world already has access to these headlights. In fact, if someone wanted them and was willing to pay the premium to have them, they already could have before the 10 Series even came out.

I think really the only exclusive parts are the light up badges, interior trim, shift knob, etc.

Kind of forgot the paint didn't you..??

All the parts are exclusive to the 10 Series as you can't go to your local Toyota dealer and buy a FT-86.
Really the headlights aren't wired the same for the 10 Series FR-S so the JDM ones are different.

Yes they are D.O.T. approved for the U.S. unlike the JDM ones.


Come on guys the FT86Club is a place where we can talk about our love of the twins so lets stop all of the bullsh!t. :happy0180:

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

...There's a lot of "Keyboard Experts" who are taking about things they know nothing about, especially on the subject of these parts. For my part I wanted to find out for myself if I could get these lights without owning a "Series 10" FR-S. Within the next 14 days we'll all find out if I'm successful.

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Thank you TRD-X, theTRDshop, Shock_r, and ohnoimcought for taking us all to school, we have all learned a valuable lesson today...

Originally Posted by ohnoimcaught

Some people get really butthurt when you tell them no...

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

...as i look back and read the controversy in this thread i cant help but wonder if a class action lawsuit by a group of 10 owners against Toyota citing your dealers actions and falsification of proof of ownership for parts would get their money back for the headlights part of 10 series price hike due to false advertising and statements about all the parts being unique and limited to the 10 series.

Originally Posted by Fonzie517

That's like BRZ Limited owners sueing Subaru for selling spoilers to Premium owners.

Get off your high horse and find a clue. Our dealers' actions are not grounds for anything. Y'all are acting like we had to sneak around a dimly lit parts warehouse and rob these poor Series 10 owners of parts that are held behind lock and key. NEWSFLASH! The majority of the 86s that roll off the line have these parts installed. What makes your car so special?

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Yup, better sue them. Rest of the world already has access to these headlights. In fact, if someone wanted them and was willing to pay the premium to have them, they already could have before the 10 Series even came out.

I think really the only exclusive parts are the light up badges, interior trim, shift knob, etc.

Originally Posted by TRD-X

There's no point in disrespecting another 86 owner...

...Come on guys the FT86Club is a place where we can talk about over love of the twins so lets stop all of the bullsh!t. :happy0180:

This hits a nerve...

New 10 Series owners who have paid a $3000 premium for "exclusive" access to special badging, paint color and premium features. 10 Series owners feel betrayed by Toyota/Scion and may believe the value of their purchases are being diminished when the exclusivity implied is eroded. There will be 2500, 10 Series owners

vs.

Early adopters (such as myself) want access to "superior" OEM integrated lighting, HVAC, and entry and starting systems. We feel that we're being unfairly denied access to these parts and connectively we are annoyed we were never given an opportunity to get them as an option or within a "trim" package. There are 22,000+, 2013 FR-S owners.

Put another way this is the "Haves" (the few) vs. the "Have Nots" (the many). This has never really been much of a rational thread; the reactions to this topic are deeply emotional.

For my part I spent $2000 to get some nifty headlights and to prove that I could do it and in the process got a reminder about human nature.