Why do most people seem to think castrol edge titanium is a bad choice?

[SeeSharkySwim]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

For my car, I have tried many variations of oil over the years in all different conditions and there was a definite, noticeable power increase with the regular Mobil 1 10W-30 over all the others each time I put it in. It is likely due to that oil being slightly thinner at operating temps than the others. It may not technically protect quite as well but when I took my engine apart a couple years ago, it still looked as good as new. And I'm at 140k miles now so that's still pretty good.

For some cars/drivers the difference may be too small or it may be due to other factors but I am confident that for me, in this engine, with that oil, it does make a small difference in power. But in the BRZ/FR-S engine, especially with it being newer and naturally aspirated, the differences might really be too small to tell.
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its all in your head bro :happy0180:

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Sellout

Unbiased hard data is hard to come by for a couple reasons. One is that this is the internet and unbiased data will get drowned by 1000 opinions you didn't want.

Another is that a truly unbiased opinion would say something like, "it doesn't matter. they're all good enough for what you're doing", but NOBODY wants to hear that.

Everyone wants to believe that there is an engine oil available here in the US that will cause mechanical failure and then choose not to buy that one. But that oil does not exist.

Became a member just to quote this message and say....

Best quote ever about API SN certified oils.

Shawn

[Doborder]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Became a member just to quote this message and say....

Best quote ever about API SN certified oils.

Shawn

Hey Shawn,

Good to see u here on the BRZ forum. Didn't expect to see u here? Are u tracking this or the GTR nowadays? Anyways, always good to have adult supervision here!

See u around

[Suberman]

If your engine manufacturer recommends a particular oil you would be wise to use it. There are also differences in oils which may make one brand or type of oil more suitable in one manufacturer's engine but not in another's.

Turbo engines can be particularly specialized in the oil which works best for that engine.

On my old SAAB 9000 Turbo I found the oil consumption to be least while using the Castrol line of conventional oils and the same occurred when I switched that engine over to Syntec.

Our Alfa Romeo V6 is the same, it prefers Castrol Syntec 5W 50 or 5W 40 from an oil consumption perspective. I have also used the factory recommended Selenia or AGIP Sint 2000 or Pennzoil with the same results.

My Audi S4 twin turbo burned the same amount of Mobil 1 0W 20 or Syntec 5W 40 Euro formula.

However, those engines used oil. Other cars I have owned did not use oil and didn't display any differences in performance regardless of which name brand oil I used. Jaguar insist you use Castrol Edge Professional 0W 20 and you might as well.

Subaru wants you to use their 0W 20 which is quite reasonably priced even at my dealer so I do. I'm pretty sure Exxon Mobil makes Subaru oil for Canada. They sure don't ship it from Japan (which has no oil BTW).

The ONLY oil performance characteristic the owner of a car can discern is oil consumption. ALL other performance characteristics can only be shown by tearing down the engine. Assuming we're talking about the use of correct viscosity in all cases, of course.

Period.

I am particularly amused by owners who send their oil away for analysis. The first four letters of that word apply.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Suberman

I am particularly amused by owners who send their oil away for analysis. The first four letters of that word apply.

I do this for documentation purposes in case I ever want to sell the car. It's more of a proof of running condition of car, not a "oh it runs great, but I have no way of quantifying what I just said so buy my car please".

I'd rather do this and keep it on hand, than having to pay for it later on. Same with Fuelly, it gives anyone looking to buy my car an overall picture of the condition of the car.

-alex

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

My local dollar store sells Mobile 1 Double Full Super Synthetic. Should I not buy it?

-Justin

wtf is double full sythetic

[ZionsWrath]

What is best bang for $ oil I won't lose sleep over. Currently using Sustina 0W-20 at 5000 mile interval

Please respond

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

wtf is double full sythetic

It's really, really good oil, you can tell its good just from the label. There are also DVD's available demonstrating some very interesting information about women that have really good titles too.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

What is best bang for $ oil I won't lose sleep over. Currently using Sustina 0W-20 at 5000 mile interval

Please respond

Get some of that double full synthetic, cheap and obviously double effective. You can also double your sensation with extra thick.......wear two for better results.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Subaru wants you to use their 0W 20 which is quite reasonably priced even at my dealer so I do. I'm pretty sure Exxon Mobil makes Subaru oil for Canada. They sure don't ship it from Japan (which has no oil BTW).

The Subaru oil in Canada must be cheaper than the U.S. because I can go to a local Subaru specialty shop and get an oil change with Motul 8100 cheaper than the Subaru oil.

The Subaru oil, both the factory fill and the dealer fill, is made by Idemitsu. The factory fill Toyota oil is made by Idemitsu and the service fill Toyota oil is made by ExxonMobil.

Originally Posted by Suberman

The ONLY oil performance characteristic the owner of a car can discern is oil consumption. ALL other performance characteristics can only be shown by tearing down the engine.

With a few random uoa's you are probably correct. $25-$30 UOA's should not be used to compare one oil against another oil. If one oil has 4 ppm's more iron than another, some people think that the oil that showed higher iron didn't perform as well as the one with lower iron. But I think you cannot argue the fact that an oil analysis is very helpful in spotting a mechanical problem or to determine a safe interval for your specific application when getting a TBN. Before Subaru announced the stop sale of certain '08/'09 turbo models, there were WRX and STI owner's that were getting abnormally high wear in uoa's and having their dealers log the information.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis/

I use $25 uoa's for entertainment purposes only.

-Dennis

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Suberman

I am particularly amused by owners who send their oil away for analysis. The first four letters of that word apply.

I agree.. Especially their first oil change.. Of course it's going to be out of whack and show abnormal amounts of particulate.. Its normal.. And if the results looked bad... Then what? Try telling your dealer there are .00052 more aluminum then there should be..
Then there are those that change their oil to some exotic brand and claim their car not only runs better.. But is much faster too.. All this is gauged with trips to the grocery store..
I'm all for using a good oil meeting and exceeding OEM specs.. But it's hard to find bad oil these days.. and there is so much marketing BS and opinions out there that are much todo about nothing..

[s0sl0w]

My conversation about engine oil with a gentleman who works on a certain high profile, successful, endurance racing team went something like this.

"what oil do you recommend, I'll be changing every 5,000 miles"
"As long as it's synthetic and certified they're all pretty good, I use pennzoil platinum in my cars." (his cars include a stripped out only driven around race tracks 350z, WRX STi with 100K+, 944, etc)
"I've used castroil in the past, i was planning on continuing to use their synthetic.."
"That's really good oil as well, I just use the pennzoil because it's a little cheaper, you'll do well with the castroil, it's actually the recommended oil on BMW's, your change intervals will do more for you anyway as long as your meeting the base specification"
"Thanks man"
"No problem"

C/N: Guy with loads of hands on track experience in many different cars/motors says buy what meets the standard specified and suits your fancy. Change it frequently and stop obsessing. Oh and he stated to avoid AMSOIL as they've had consistency issues.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

My conversation about engine oil with a gentleman who works on a certain high profile, successful, endurance racing team went something like this.

"what oil do you recommend, I'll be changing every 5,000 miles"
"As long as it's synthetic and certified they're all pretty good, I use pennzoil platinum in my cars." (his cars include a stripped out only driven around race tracks 350z, WRX STi with 100K+, 944, etc)
"I've used castroil in the past, i was planning on continuing to use their synthetic.."
"That's really good oil as well, I just use the pennzoil because it's a little cheaper, you'll do well with the castroil, it's actually the recommended oil on BMW's, your change intervals will do more for you anyway as long as your meeting the base specification"
"Thanks man"
"No problem"

C/N: Guy with loads of hands on track experience in many different cars/motors says buy what meets the standard specified and suits your fancy. Change it frequently and stop obsessing. Oh and he stated to avoid AMSOIL as they've had consistency issues.

So close to being good information. There is no Pennzoil Platinum that I would use in a tracked (or even stock) STI or 944. Pennzoil Ultra 5W-40 maybe.

But mainly I would disagree about Amsoil having consistency issues after seeing dozens and dozens of stellar uoa's posted on it. An Outback owner in another forum does 12,000 mile intervals in his new Outback and even uses the non-Audi spec Amsoil 10W-30 in his Audi TT. He's been using Amsoil since the 70's, IIRC.
:happy0180:
-Dennis

[Sellout]

^ I use Mobil 1 because I know this guy that likes California burritos like I do, since we both like California Burritos, we should both use Mobil 1.

It's obvious that there's never going to be a definitive answer to this question. It's impossible for the reasons that I listed before.

Even worse, I know someone who actually did the performance tests in one of the magazine's oil analysis articles about 15 years ago, and his results at that time completely contradicted every published test result I had ever seen from any of the oil companies...

You know, we are paying the API VERY well for what they do, and they have actually done well to make sure we have good oil for our cars.

"Which oil is best for my...?" Is about like asking which Ferrari you should buy to stand next to in front of the local Starbucks. They're all more than adequate. Seriously.