2013 for $1200 off msrp

[frs10]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

true. I would still get it if i am OP.
something wrong with clutch later, warranty will cover it
of course, it will be different story on warranty part if OP burns out the clutch due to his first manual

yes but thats assuming you want to waste ur time bringing the car in and having it inspected, fixed, etc...

and also the discount is $1200... other posters were posting deals at or around $1-1.5k off MSRP brand new with 0 miles...

[hanabie]

Originally Posted by lickitysplit

This isnt good advice, you dont want to be out of gear when slowing down and there is nothing wrong with engine braking

lol. and there is nothing wrong coasting to stop on neutral and using your break to slow down. Good luck on your clutch and transmission.

[lickitysplit]

Originally Posted by hanabie

lol. and there is nothing wrong coasting to stop on neutral and using your break to slow down. Good luck on your clutch and transmission.

Is this your first manual car?

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Jond63

Clutch won't be damaged in 50 miles.... get it.

You've never met my Asian friend Joyce, killing clutches since 2009. Coming to a junkyard near you!

[schlomo]

Originally Posted by hanabie

lol. and there is nothing wrong coasting to stop on neutral and using your break to slow down. Good luck on your clutch and transmission.

I was always taught that coasting in neutral is bad for the trans. granted that was years ago.

[FV]

ive been coasting to a stop in neutral for 4 years....have i been doing it wrong

[Fluxx]

Coasting in neutral won't hurt much of anything, where people mess things up is towing a car. When you coast in neutral the car is running, fluid is being pumped throughout the transmission keeping the gears lubed. When a car is towed and its drive wheels are left on the ground it will cause the gears to spin as if the car is on and driving, but the fluids don't cycle like they would and it can cause premature wear.
As for engine braking, what's cheaper to fix? Brakes or a motor? That said, engine braking, when not done to extremes doesn't inflict a whole lot of damage to a motor, just don't do it so you are spinning the motor to 7,000+ RPMs every time you engine brake and you should be alright.

[bitNine]

Originally Posted by Fluxx

Coasting in neutral won't hurt much of anything, where people mess things up is towing a car. When you coast in neutral the car is running, fluid is being pumped throughout the transmission keeping the gears lubed. When a car is towed and its drive wheels are left on the ground it will cause the gears to spin as if the car is on and driving, but the fluids don't cycle like they would and it can cause premature wear.
As for engine braking, what's cheaper to fix? Brakes or a motor? That said, engine braking, when not done to extremes doesn't inflict a whole lot of damage to a motor, just don't do it so you are spinning the motor to 7,000+ RPMs every time you engine brake and you should be alright.

That's true in an automatic transmission vehicle, but not in a manual. In a manual, there is nothing disconnecting the input shaft from the output shaft (aside from neutral itself), unless you have a transfer case in a 4x4. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the output shaft being spun by the input shaft or by the drive line. It's perfectly safe to tow a manual vehicle while its drive wheels are on the ground, with the transmission in neutral.

What you should not do is clutch brake, which is using the forward momentum of the vehicle to drive the RPM's upward from idle, by dragging the clutch in the friction zone. This is where the "which is cheaper" question comes into play. Is it cheaper to replace brakes, or cheaper to replace a clutch? In some cars the parts cost is the same, so it all comes down to labor, which is usually cheaper to have brake pads replaced. Clutch braking can warp the flywheel through excessive heat.