2014 Nissan 370Z

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

I don't know what E/I/T even with a full exhuast, your looking at to give 250hp.. Even on E85 people with all that are around 200-205.. Unless your talking about fly wheel hp... And then no.. Not even close.. I. Putting 175 at the wheel and it's still dirt slow.. 25 more hp at the wheels is not enough.. 250 at the wheels might be enough, I've heard a lot of tuners say 300 is perfect.. Idk I've never been in a high hp or boosted 86 yet

If I meant wheel HP I would say wheel HP. Basically I'm just saying +50hp for intake/full exhaust/tune. It might be closer to 40hp, but I've seen one or two hitting that mark so its not unreasonable. I got +30hp from an Intake/full exhaust on my EJ25 N/A Impreza which can't really be tuned like the FA20 can.

I don't plan on messing with the power for my BRZ for years, just tires pretty much. Maybe a SPT exhaust if they ever come out or something else OEM like the TRD. I won't touch the tune til after the warranty is over, don't really need to anyhow.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wouldn't a Twin with $5k in mods be pretty damn good? I mean, that would make it roughly the same price as the Z.

Both are good cars and I can't fault anyone for getting either. I like the practicality, light weight and mileage of the twins for being a daily driver though.

Originally Posted by campy

$5k can buy you a turbo kit, coilovers, and a new set of tires. The Nismo version is $42k. I can't even imagine a mod list for the frs/brz that would cost $17k.

by this logic why would you ever buy the frs over any b spec racer or even a miata? for the price of a twin you get a supercharger kit, rollbar and plenty of suspension mods and that car is going to crush almost everything at that price point.

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Do it right or leave it alone. A quality set of performance coilovers is going to run 2000+ installed. There's no reason to get that suspension without wider wheels and stickier tires. RPF1s and Pilot Super Sports will probably cost another 2000 installed for a not-especially-wide set. Then a turbo with 1k left? I don't think so. You're looking at 5700 for an AVO kit, which I believe is the least expensive available. Course if you put a turbo on, you need an exhaust. That's another 1000 easily. Now your car needs to brake better because if you track it, you will fry the brakes, even with upgraded pads. There's another 5000 easily for front and rears, but don't forget to add ducting. Now your engine is overheating, so add an oil cooler for 800. You want to use the turbo system to its maximum potential, so add another 1000 for fuel system upgrades and another 500+ for tuning. You still can't dial in the camber how you want so it's time for new suspension goodies to hook up to those coilovers. Now your clutch is burnt so you need a new one. Now you feel chassis flex so add some braces. Now your engine and transmission are destroying their stock mounts. Brakes are still soft so add some stainless lines. Hitting 400HP now. Better replace the rear differential soon with something beefier. a new driveshaft and beefed up rear end is called for now, especially if you're tracking. Otherwise you're going to spend a lot of time in the shop getting things replaced. Did I mention that the car looks almost completely stock? Still have that crap stereo too. You're going so fast, you want to be held in the seat on corners. Time for a belt upgrade. That means you need a seat upgrade. That means you need a roll cage and neck brace device.

Now you are done! And you cannot drive your car on the streets nor stick the kids in the back.

do it right with pilot super sports? if youre talking about serious parts why stop with average street tires?

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Do it right or leave it alone. A quality set of performance coilovers is going to run 2000+ installed. There's no reason to get that suspension without wider wheels and stickier tires. RPF1s and Pilot Super Sports will probably cost another 2000 installed for a not-especially-wide set. Then a turbo with 1k left? I don't think so. You're looking at 5700 for an AVO kit, which I believe is the least expensive available. Course if you put a turbo on, you need an exhaust. That's another 1000 easily. Now your car needs to brake better because if you track it, you will fry the brakes, even with upgraded pads. There's another 5000 easily for front and rears, but don't forget to add ducting. Now your engine is overheating, so add an oil cooler for 800. You want to use the turbo system to its maximum potential, so add another 1000 for fuel system upgrades and another 500+ for tuning. You still can't dial in the camber how you want so it's time for new suspension goodies to hook up to those coilovers. Now your clutch is burnt so you need a new one. Now you feel chassis flex so add some braces. Now your engine and transmission are destroying their stock mounts. Brakes are still soft so add some stainless lines. Hitting 400HP now. Better replace the rear differential soon with something beefier. a new driveshaft and beefed up rear end is called for now, especially if you're tracking. Otherwise you're going to spend a lot of time in the shop getting things replaced. Did I mention that the car looks almost completely stock? Still have that crap stereo too. You're going so fast, you want to be held in the seat on corners. Time for a belt upgrade. That means you need a seat upgrade. That means you need a roll cage and neck brace device.

Now you are done! And you cannot drive your car on the streets nor stick the kids in the back.

I agree with this reasoning for the most part. You can always buy a cheaper car and spend $$$ on modifications, etc. The biggest issues at hand though are warranties and resale. You start at coilovers for $2k, then some wider Z2's, camber plates, etc. and you get up to $3k. Then if you want power you'd get I/E/tune for $2k. For more power add $4k for a supercharger. Now you need an oil cooler and eventually a new clutch & flywheel and you're at another grand.

So essentially for $8k you will still lose to a Z in the 1/4, have basically no warranty and have to rely on your skills/your tuners to fix problems, AND when you want to sell, you'll have to find a racerboy that wants all of your (or most) mods to even get some $ back. Even if you put back to stock that's quite a lot of time and effort and then you'd have to wait and sell on forums, etc. to recop maybe a 1/3 of the cost.

Or you could get a Z with the sport package (19" Rays, LSD, etc.) for $32,000 (assuming you don't pay MSRP) and add KWv3's for $2.5k and be at about the same level give or take. You would have your warranty and could resell quite easily.

Both are viable options, but have pros and cons. I am quite interested to see a new 240Z or BRZ STI as I am on the fence between a Z and a BRZ at this juncture.

[thill]

You can do much better than that for much cheaper. You don't HAVE to have coilovers, you just need better tires. $800. Turbo kits appear to offer more power for the dollar. $5K should get you the FA20club turbo kit, tune (E85), upgraded injectors, oil cooler, etc. Pretty much all you need to easily put down over 300hp at the wheels. That will be more horsepower than a stock 370z at the wheels (stock Z is probably around 250-260hp at the wheels) and the FRZ is far lighter too.

The Full Blown kit are looking like 400-600hp, but then you start talking about some other serious mods for the car to take that much power and your costs will rise quickly. $35K would probably get you well into that 500hp+ range though..

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by fatoni

by this logic why would you ever buy the frs over any b spec racer or even a miata? for the price of a twin you get a supercharger kit, rollbar and plenty of suspension mods and that car is going to crush almost everything at that price point.


do it right with pilot super sports? if youre talking about serious parts why stop with average street tires?

The goal isn't to be the fastest. The goal is to have it right. To have it all work harmoniously. Suspension must match tires must match power must match braking, with all those entail. This is why it would make sense to buy a complete package from a manufacturer. None of the mods I mentioned were even about truly crushing the competition on the track. In that case, a purpose-built racer is the best direction. A formula ford will eat a prepped FR-S in most every way.

Super Sports are probably the best combo of road and track capable tires available. You can always have slicks for the track, on wider wheels, but then you're talking even more money.

[EAGLE5]

If the goal were ultimate performance, a twin doesn't even belong in the discussion. Neither does a Z. Then you should look at a car truly built for speed, like a Vette, Porsche, or GT-R. Better yet, like I said in the other post, a Formula Ford or whatnot would be even better. That, I think, will be my ultimate goal. A formula car of some kind, probably one with covered wheels to allow it to share the track on regular track days, with a super-charged FR-S on stock suspension for the streets. Maybe I'll put on some RPF-1s, a supercharger, and some camber mods some day. Some day. It still won't be a track monster, though. Not even a road monster. Just a lot of fun.

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

I agree with this reasoning for the most part. You can always buy a cheaper car and spend $$$ on modifications, etc. The biggest issues at hand though are warranties and resale. You start at coilovers for $2k, then some wider Z2's, camber plates, etc. and you get up to $3k. Then if you want power you'd get I/E/tune for $2k. For more power add $4k for a supercharger. Now you need an oil cooler and eventually a new clutch & flywheel and you're at another grand.

So essentially for $8k you will still lose to a Z in the 1/4, have basically no warranty and have to rely on your skills/your tuners to fix problems, AND when you want to sell, you'll have to find a racerboy that wants all of your (or most) mods to even get some $ back. Even if you put back to stock that's quite a lot of time and effort and then you'd have to wait and sell on forums, etc. to recop maybe a 1/3 of the cost.

Or you could get a Z with the sport package (19" Rays, LSD, etc.) for $32,000 (assuming you don't pay MSRP) and add KWv3's for $2.5k and be at about the same level give or take. You would have your warranty and could resell quite easily.

Both are viable options, but have pros and cons. I am quite interested to see a new 240Z or BRZ STI as I am on the fence between a Z and a BRZ at this juncture.

[ijuliusx]

idk why but my neighbor thought my FRS was the new 350z


they went up to me and ask if it was 2014 Z

lol

[clayrush]

Pops z was 277 to the ground stock.
the way it sits now, it is just slightly faster than his coworkers nizmo. Saved a lot of money over the price of the nizmo to.

[Nothing]

The real kicker is gonna be what Nissan does with the next Z. Will they keep the starting point just under $30k and lighten it up? We'll see.

[Stealthx]

I should have made it more specific. I'm comparing my 370z with sport package to a BRZ Limited. I can buy a 370 for ~31-32 BRZ ~28 or so give or take taxes. Tracking means reliable. If your not running something reliable. Good luck. Get your head out of the sky. Not comparing to the Nismo. And for comparison the sport package Z was actually a better tracking Z then Nismo. And i didnt include the FRS. Yes it's cheaper. And as stated... One of the most asked questions is. But my warranty blah blah blah. Pay to play. Everyone dreams of making their car faster, or a track/race car, but how many do? This is a simple stock to stock. Twins are owned. And I own both so I'm not biased. It's simple. Throw JRZ coils, upgrade pads or in case of twins full brake kit. Then boost them. still going to be the same outcome. These cars aren't truly comparative. It's silly. Get over it. Over every forum there are these debates. The 370 guys compare them to 5.0 Mustangs... Straight line the 370 is owned, and some road courses too. There's a point of no return. Just hypothetical "what ifs" and that's all I get with the Vette guys and my GTR. Sorry for the rant, don't get me wrong I love the BRZ, fantastic car, built with a different purpose and goal. To each their own, but if you want to buy an apple don't buy a orange. Because that's what's happening. These debates never end as much as we wish.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Nothing

The real kicker is gonna be what Nissan does with the next Z. Will they keep the starting point just under $30k and lighten it up? We'll see.

I don't imagine they can keep the price low with a new chassis and lightening this chassis with aluminum would certainly raise the price unless cost cutting measures are taken everywhere else.

[clayrush]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I don't imagine they can keep the price low with a new chassis and lightening this chassis with aluminum would certainly raise the price unless cost cutting measures are taken everywhere else.

Or they build it in mexico.

[gt8613]

Well, I think the FRS front end does resemble a bit of the Z. It

Originally Posted by ijuliusx

idk why but my neighbor thought my FRS was the new 350z


they went up to me and ask if it was 2014 Z

lol

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by clayrush

Or they build it in mexico.

Nissan quality goes down even further! Lose lose situation. The Z needs a new chassis or they need a little brother Z.