2015 Ford Mustang / Shelby GT350 Official - 5.2L FPC with 500+hp/400+ lb-ft

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Ericc B

Great choice. Unfortunately due to the high CO2 emissions that very same Mustang costs $120.000 over here so it's not an option.

I'm sorry.... what?!

[6-Shift]

soooo...why hang out here when there are Mustang forums? Just curious.

[Ericc B]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

I'm sorry.... what?!

Welcome to Europe. Dutch government imposes CO2 output based tax on every new car sale. Anything 300 gram or higher gets around $70.000 in tax alone, on top of the original US price of the car. And mind you that's after already paying 10% import tax and 21% sales tax.

And now this may sound funny but a BRZ or GT86 is much more affordable here, because it outputs half of the CO2 of a V8 Stang. We pay "only" $56.000 for one of those.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Rampage

They just announced the new Camaro Z28 at NY. Supposedly 300LB lighter than other Camaros and 500HP. The size and weight have been the main things that turned me off of the Camaro and made the Mustang more attractive.

Yea, but its 300LB lighter the "stupid" way. They took out the carpet, the A/C, and the stereo has 1 speaker, and the glass is thinner (OK with that one).

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Z28 but not this way. There had to be a better way to reduce the weight then to turn it into an anti-daily driver.

[Allch Chcar]

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2015...on-a-diet.html

Just the Facts:
The redesigned 2015 Ford Mustang will be slightly smaller and several hundred pounds lighter when the car goes on sale next year, Edmunds has learned.
The Mustang will shed around 400 pounds in a quest to improve fuel economy, said a source familiar with the Mustang program.
The dimensions of the 2015 Mustang will be reduced and the car will use lighter-weight materials as well.

DEARBORN, Michigan — The redesigned 2015 Ford Mustang will be slightly smaller and several hundred pounds lighter when the car goes on sale next year, Edmunds has learned.

"I know they are trying to remove a minimum of 400 pounds," said a source familiar with the Mustang program who asked not to be identified. "The big thing is that it will be a 'smarter' size."

The 2014 Ford Mustang V6 coupe has a curb weight of 3,523 pounds when equipped with the six-speed automatic transmission and 3,501 pounds when equipped with the six-speed manual transmission, according to Ford. The 2014 Ford Mustang V6 convertible has a curb weight of 3,652 pounds when equipped with the six-speed automatic transmission and 3,630 pounds when equipped with the six-speed manual transmission.

The 2014 Ford Mustang coupe with a 3.7-liter V6 engine and six-speed automatic transmission returns 19 mpg in city driving and 31 mpg on the highway, according to the EPA.

Ford did not respond immediately to a query from Edmunds asking about the Mustang weight-loss program.

Automakers are required to boost the fuel economy of their fleet 4 percent annually through 2025.

"That car will be around for 8 to 10 years so it has to meet anticipated regulatory requirements for that long period of time," the source said.

One of the keys to boosting fuel economy is trimming vehicle weight, by reducing the dimensions of the new Mustang and using lighter-weight materials.

"There is going to be less overhang" in the front, rear and on the sides of the Mustang, the source said.

"The overall length will be something like 8 percent (approximately 15 inches) shorter," the source said.

The 2014 Mustang is 188.5 inches in length and rides on a 107.1-inch wheelbase.

"The width will be a little less than 10 percent (about 6.5 inches) narrower," the source said.

The 2014 model is 73.9 inches wide.

As for materials "they are going to use more aluminum, better structural engineering in terms of spot welds and so on and so forth, basically using less material and making it stronger," the source said.

However, there is "nothing terribly exotic" in terms of materials.

"It is still going to be a pony car. It is still going to submit a (reasonable) price point so it cannot be an exotic," the source said.

While pricing for lower-end Mustangs is expected to be comparable to today's models, the source said high-end models could see a dramatic increase. The base 2014 Ford Mustang starts at $22,995.

"My understanding is that the maximum price is going to go up about 10 percent and that will be depending on equipment," the source said.

The 2015 Mustang coupe is expected to be unveiled at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show in January or the 2014 New York Auto Show in April. The convertible will debut later at a separate show. It will not be unveiled with the fastback, the source said.

Edmunds says: The 2015 Ford Mustang may shrink in size, largely due to regulatory pressure.

Probably just another rumor but I thought I'd share it. They didn't name their source. The dimension they estimate are 173 inches long by 67.4 inches wide. Which would make it the smallest Mustang in decades. No new pics.

[dem00n]

Still to heavy.

[zigzagz94]

Smaller, lighter, and IRS. Looks like I might have to keep this on my radar.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Still to heavy.

Take into account that 23 years ago the Mustang GT weighed a bit over 3100 lbs, didn't have all of the safety and technology stuff we have now, and this is a much more impressive number.

[bakerr6]

I may be adding another stang to my stable hehe. Think the wife would mind me having 2 new cars? I'll have to start saving if this thing looks and performs well

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

Smaller, lighter, and IRS. Looks like I might have to keep this on my radar.

were not going to get all of those things in one package which is unfortunate. besides, as far as i can tell, the mustang has had the option of irs in the past and it wasnt better than the live axle of its vintage. i feel the suspension is a means to an end and the mustang doesnt really suffer from the solid axle

[R3d]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Take into account that 23 years ago the Mustang GT weighed a bit over 3100 lbs, didn't have all of the safety and technology stuff we have now, and this is a much more impressive number.

400lbs will make a pretty significant difference !

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by fatoni

were not going to get all of those things in one package which is unfortunate. besides, as far as i can tell, the mustang has had the option of irs in the past and it wasnt better than the live axle of its vintage. i feel the suspension is a means to an end and the mustang doesnt really suffer from the solid axle

What do you mean we're not. The mule cars out there are already showing IRS, and inside sources are reporting smaller dimensions and hundreds of lbs of weight shed.



The Terminator's IRS wasn't great, and then when people wanted to drag race, as they are wont to do with a high horsepower pony car, they just dropped in the SRA. Somehow I don't think they're going half assed on this one though. SRA works, but IRS has some real pros for DD application as well.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

were not going to get all of those things in one package which is unfortunate. besides, as far as i can tell, the mustang has had the option of irs in the past and it wasnt better than the live axle of its vintage. i feel the suspension is a means to an end and the mustang doesnt really suffer from the solid axle

Keep in mind the Cobra's IRS was a 'make it fit' engineering job using a chassis, subframe(?) and pick up points designed for the stick axle. This will be engineered for IRS from the beginning.

If Ford can impress with the solid axle, they should be awesome with the IRS. Solid axle shows less weakness on a nice smooth track, but IRS will be beneficial to normal roads and rougher tracks. Plus way less unsprung weight.

This thing's going to destroy Camaros.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

What do you mean we're not. The mule cars out there are already showing IRS, and inside sources are reporting smaller dimensions and hundreds of lbs of weight shed.



The Terminator's IRS wasn't great, and then when people wanted to drag race, as they are wont to do with a high horsepower pony car, they just dropped in the SRA. Somehow I don't think they're going half assed on this one though. SRA works, but IRS has some real pros for DD application as well.

i was speaking more towards the ability to drop 400 lbs while adding the weight of irs. ive seen the photos of how much more cramped that coyote is in the engine bay so im keeping my fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by Dimman

Keep in mind the Cobra's IRS was a 'make it fit' engineering job using a chassis, subframe(?) and pick up points designed for the stick axle. This will be engineered for IRS from the beginning.

If Ford can impress with the solid axle, they should be awesome with the IRS. Solid axle shows less weakness on a nice smooth track, but IRS will be beneficial to normal roads and rougher tracks. Plus way less unsprung weight.

This thing's going to destroy Camaros.

thats a good point. i still kinda write off the solid axle on a mustang simlar to the rear engine in the 911. it just kinda works despite what is supposed to happen. i hope this car is a monster. i really appreciate how ford has turned around so fast in america.