SUBARU BRZ FIRE

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Originally Posted by mikalem

Like I said earlier in this thread, car video was posted July 17th, user stated the car was a total loss on July 23rd, John didn't have the "fix" ready until July 29th. Kits were originally released to us (you, CB, me, the rest of the group buy) around June 26th. If the hose fix was in operation, John sat on it from everyone else.

I'm pretty sure we had the fix in hand before the 23rd, and John had sent us some photos of the fix installed on a car before that as well. Again, just stating information. He had the fix installed on someone's car, just not sure who's car it was.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by Toma

A few goals in my posts.



Just simple, "well known" facts.

•Don't jump to conclusions without all evidence. ie, cause of fire.

You didn't even look at the kit he was selling or inform yourself of the facts regarding the asshat you came to defend FAIL

•Don't bite off more than you can chew, modding a car is not a joke or to be taken lightly. Especially OIL or FUEL or ELECTRICAL systems.

Tell JV, When you make a product for one (1) application and supply a "kit" and call your self a "professional" you get to charge extra because alot of the risk is seemingly mitigated by having a professional designed kit. he certainly overcharged...where is the professional...anything???

•Aftermarket parts and kits are just that, and do not go through all the rigorous OEM type design, modeling and testing, nor do most of them employ hundreds of engineers like the OEM's do, and spend hundreds of thousands of man hours on their stuff.

So you are telling me if you are tuning a car and you replace a fuel hose or oil hose on a customers car, thhey should step in and verify your work for you while you're doing it because you aren't capable of picking the right hose for the purpose? You do realize that's what happened here or is this back to #1 don't jump to conclusions because you are misinformed?

•Ultimately, you, the owner, is responsible for your car.


...even while it is in a "tuner's" hands and you haven't worked on it yourself and it's that tuner's parts that are freshly installed.



Yesterday i thought you were open-minded and insightful, Today sir you smell like an idiot and a bad businessman, just back away from this mess, you are on the wrong side of every line here.

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by post_break

I'm pretty sure we had the fix in hand before the 23rd, and John had sent us some photos of the fix installed on a car before that as well. Again, just stating information. He had the fix installed on someone's car, just not sure who's car it was.

either way the fix more than likely came out as a result of the car fire. I mean thats the way it looks as it sits right now until someone comes on here and says other wise.

[Touge_ninja]

Hold on so were not forming the angry mob yet?!

[mikalem]

Originally Posted by post_break

I'm pretty sure we had the fix in hand before the 23rd, and John had sent us some photos of the fix installed on a car before that as well. Again, just stating information. He had the fix installed on someone's car, just not sure who's car it was.

If that's the case, and it might very well be - the dates I listed are off of post dates within the forum for the announcement of the kit revision, along with data I have, around the time my car failed and I talked with John directly. My car had the leak on July 24th, and I talked with John around 4 days after that, where as I was talking to him he was boxing up the parts to send.

Still, based on all of that, if the car DID had the updated coupler for the metal line John would have stat on the news that he knew the original parts had a major problem with them.

[DJCarbine]

Wait... was a worm drive hoseclamp supplied in the kit? To use on hose that has pressurized fuel?

I wish I had one of these kits in my hand to really see what came in it and how it was intended to be used....

In general, do not use worm drive hose clamps on fuel hose used in fuel injection systems. You either use hardline, or hoseclamps that do not pinch/cut into/not uniformly clamp fuel injector hose. In seeing some of the installation pictures, you can even see that the factory uses different style clamps (that tighten very evenly and are made for high pressure fuel lines) in several spots.

Giving a cheap worm drive clamp is stupid. When you tighten them down too much to make up for a incorrectly sized how they do NOT put even pressure all around the hose.

You want this... which is labeled at most auto part stores as "Fuel injector hose clamp" for a REASON. The same reason why you buy fuel injector hose which is reinforced and not the old style hoses used on carb'd cars that only see 5-7psi of pressure.

[Calum]

Well, everyone is talking about the Visconti Flex Fuel Kit fix and I hadn't seen it. So to save anyone else reading this the time to go and find the pics, here they are.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=457

I'll let people draw their own conclusions.

[mikalem]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

Wait... was a worm drive hoseclamp supplied in the kit? To use on hose that has pressurized fuel?

I wish I had one of these kits in my hand to really see what came in it and how it was intended to be used....

In general, do not use worm drive hose clamps on fuel hose used in fuel injection systems. You either use hardline, or hoseclamps that do not pinch/cut into/not uniformly clamp fuel injector hose. In seeing some of the installation pictures, you can even see that the factory uses different style clamps (that tighten very evenly and are made for high pressure fuel lines) in several spots.

Giving a cheap worm drive clamp is stupid. When you tighten them down too much to make up for a incorrectly sized how they do NOT put even pressure all around the hose.

You want this... which is labeled at most auto part stores as "Fuel injector hose clamp" for a REASON. The same reason why you buy fuel injector hose which is reinforced and not the old style hoses used on carb'd cars that only see 5-7psi of pressure.

Misread - the clamp pictured is the stock clamp, which isn't re-used. The clamp provided in the kit was not like this (not sure what a worm drive hose clamp is, however the clamp provided uses a screw to tighten down the clamp).

[mikalem]

Originally Posted by Calum

Well, everyone is talking about the Visconti Flex Fuel Kit fix and I hadn't seen it. So to save anyone else reading this the time to go and find the pics, here they are.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=457

I'll let people draw their own conclusions.

Those are the updated parts kit, not the full kit, btw.

This was the full kit parts, you can see the hose line with the clamp in the picture that fails.

[OrangeJuleas]

I wanted to post and leave a long rant on how I feel people are being immature on this forum and making others feel like second-class members because they aren't jumping on the horde-mentality bandwagon of "Visconti is setting everything on fire! lolz", but instead, here are some pictures that should lighten (or make heavier) your day:







As for @brzturbo, truly sorry man, but this happens sometimes. It's called Murphy's Law. If insurance does not cover you, and Visconti does not step up and solve you problem for you, I will gladly kick a few bucks your way to help your problem. We should all be so lucky that he bit the bullet instead of us, and so we should help him out.

[Tainen]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

He was a complete douchebag from the start. I would never buy anything from him. Could care less about his product with his crappy attitude. He's your typical used car salesman with customer service at the bottom.

Looks like @FA20Club.com is an easy choice for a remote tuning solution.

NVM!

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by mikalem

Misread - the clamp pictured is the stock clamp, which isn't re-used. The clamp provided in the kit was not like this (not sure what a worm drive hose clamp is, however the clamp provided uses a screw to tighten down the clamp).

Worm drive is this style clamp...


You do not use this on fuel injector line, oil line, intercooler piping, etc.... because when torqued down they do not apply even pressure and tend to bite into the rubber causing tears/rips.

They work great for low pressure applications but are terrible when really torqued down for critical components. That being said people still use them in applications where you should really not use them... sort of like how people spray WD-40 on everything to lube things that should NOT have WD-40 on them

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Tainen

+1 on this. I remember the altercation on the first two or three weeks of car availability, where he claimed his exhaust system was 100% 304SS. After we identified the part number of several of his components being 409, he blatantly lied about it and then behind the scenes switched the parts for all systems he made after that. He was using a "chinaflow" muffler for his first few systems, then switched over to magnaflow after he was caught, but denied everything. And the Vibrant 409ss exhaust hangars, not sure if he ever switched those though. I wonder how those first few exhausts are now...

For the ones who will be like WTF, John does not sell exhausts!!

He is talking about Don from Accelerated Performance.

[mikalem]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

Worm drive is this style clamp...


You do not use this on fuel injector line, oil line, intercooler piping, etc.... because when torqued down they do not apply even pressure and tend to bite into the rubber causing tears/rips.

They work great for low pressure applications but are terrible when really torqued down for critical components. That being said people still use them in applications where you should really not use them... sort of like how people spray WD-40 on everything to lube things that should NOT have WD-40 on them

Learned something new today (the name of the clamp, and reasons for application) - that is the style clamp that came with the kit.