Borla Headers Update

[Fast_Freddy]

What torque dip?



Run001 was stock except Borla UEL, Tsudo catted front pipe and K&N drop-in

Run004 was after tuning (Visconti & Pure Automotive Performance)

My FRS is AT with 4k miles on it. Base stock hp is assumed to be ~150 with the usual -20lb tq dip.

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

What torque dip?



Run001 was stock except Borla UEL, Tsudo catted front pipe and K&N drop-in

Run004 was after tuning (Visconti & Pure Automotive Performance)

My FRS is AT with 4k miles on it. Base stock hp is assumed to be ~150 with the usual -20lb tq dip.

Did you perhaps do a run with header vs stock run before you loaded your tune?
We run in Kilowats in South Africa, but you get the idea from the graph.

Here is a dyno run with Borla header and AFE DIF. NO Tune.

[chadstyle]

I have dyno's posted in my build thread (link in sig) and the TQ dip is gone. I have baseline, 93, and E85 posted.

Edit: here.. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23897

[Ryan86]

Here is the comparison from header NO Tune vs Header with Tune.

Header makes great gains, but with tune gets rid of Torque dip completely.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Did you perhaps do a run with header vs stock run before you loaded your tune?
We run in Kilowats in South Africa, but you get the idea from the graph.

Here is a dyno run with Borla header and AFE DIF. NO Tune.

Unfortunately I didn't do any bone stock dyno runs. It looks to me like the scale of my dyno plot makes the un-tuned tq dip appear smaller than yours when they are actually almost the same.

Is it because you guys are in South Africa that your attachments show upside down in the northern hemisphere?

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Unfortunately I didn't do any bone stock dyno runs. It looks to me like the scale of my dyno plot makes the un-tuned tq dip appear smaller than yours when they are actually almost the same.

Is it because you guys are in South Africa that your attachments show upside down in the northern hemisphere?

Not sure why all my pics end up inverted when posting via IPad, should be fixed now.

Based on both our graphs with header and Visconti tune, it appears we are parity much showing similar torque gains. Issue I have with Visconti tune is the gains from the tune vs stock with header are negligible.
Would like to see FA20club stage 2 dyno of header stock vs header tune to see the difference in gains.
@chadstyle just reviewed your dyno charts with Borla,93 Oct and FA20club tune, can see significant better gain differences between your tune and @Fast Freddy and mine with Visconti tune.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Not sure why all my pics end up inverted when posting via IPad, should be fixed now.

Based on both our graphs with header and Visconti tune, it appears we are parity much showing similar torque gains. Issue I have with Visconti tune is the gains from the tune vs stock with header are negligible.
Would like to see FA20club stage 2 dyno of header stock vs header tune to see the difference in gains.
@chadstyle just reviewed your dyno charts with Borla,93 Oct and FA20club tune, can see significant better gain differences between your tune and @Fast Freddy and mine with Visconti tune.

Huh? I thought +17whp, +11wtq and +25wtq in the tq dip from a tune was pretty good.

[Taber]

Originally Posted by foney_email

I looked around, but I can't find them. How do I contact defined to see if that deal would be extended to me also?

Ive always just send him facebook msgs "Jordan At Defined" Hes been extremely nice, and helpful, every time I've dealt with him.

[chadstyle]

Here are my gains from baseline to 93 to E85. All tuning was done by FA20Club. I traced over the lines in Photoshop so they are more visible as I have 3 runs in one graph but you can see it side by side with the original in my build thread and see that the lines are 100% identical...don't want to be accused of altering results in any way.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Good to know the headers are a serious hp and torque improvement.

[Taber]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

Here are my gains from baseline to 93 to E85. All tuning was done by FA20Club. I traced over the lines in Photoshop so they are more visible as I have 3 runs in one graph but you can see it side by side with the original in my build thread and see that the lines are 100% identical...don't want to be accused of altering results in any way.

Great! No E85 in Maine, however I will definitely be calling FA20Club for software in the next 3-4 weeks for ECUTek and Software once my wallet has recovered from this purchase.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

Here are my gains from baseline to 93 to E85. All tuning was done by FA20Club. I traced over the lines in Photoshop so they are more visible as I have 3 runs in one graph but you can see it side by side with the original in my build thread and see that the lines are 100% identical...don't want to be accused of altering results in any way.

Are these results stock except for the tune?

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

Here are my gains from baseline to 93 to E85. All tuning was done by FA20Club. I traced over the lines in Photoshop so they are more visible as I have 3 runs in one graph but you can see it side by side with the original in my build thread and see that the lines are 100% identical...don't want to be accused of altering results in any way.

I might be wrong after all.
If I take my base stock run with no mods and compare to mods,
AFE Dif
Zeta intake
Borla header
Stock overpipe
HPC front pipe
Resonated rear
Visconti Stage 2
I used 93 equivalent fuel
I've got 22 whp gain and 20 nm torque gains.

We have almost the same mods, you have. FA20club tune

What is your take on my chart vs yours (1kw = 1.34whp)
Let me know if chart is inverted

[Taber]

Crappy cell phone pic, but apparently my braaaaap just been delivered to the shop thats installing it.

I have an appointment Tuesday morning to for dyno pulls, install and then more pulls. Install will include Borla UEL headers, perrin overpipe, and perrin 3" front pipe. The car already has the Perrin "Big" 3" cat-back.