Limited owners, do you feel the extra goodies are worth it?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'd love to argue about lights, but I'll just say that the halogens in the FRS are almost too bright for my night time driving (read California backroads with zero light and plenty of deer). The OP did mention the FRS so it is valid to compare in this thread, I assume you mean you can't get a BRZ without "NAV", if we start talking about aftermarket head units then he might as well use the $2k he'd save by buying an FRS to get the head unit he really wants and selling the stock one to a disgruntled BeSpoke buyer. And based on your last post I'm tempted to drop my keys in a glass of water and see if it'll still start the car, they've gotten wet already but I wasn't worried, either way I never argued what was mechanically happening in the locking cylinder only user preference.

Some authors still use MS-DOS to write their novels after all.
:happy0180:

Yes, for this thread the FR-S to BRZ comparisons would be okay as the OP sanctioned it, but let me pick this apart.

• Yes, I meant without NAV, whoops. Proofreading fail.
• BRZ Premium lists at $25,495 + ~$700 delivery. FR-S without options lists for $25,255 with delivery. That's about $1000 difference.
• Add $2000 to $1000 for the difference between FR-S and BRZ Limited.
• Realize that $3000 spent in aftermarket goodies won't get you what comes in a BRZ Limited. Bam, value of the Limited is immense, even if you end up replacing the NAV capable HU.
• Don't know about the innards of your keys, but mine are waterproof to a degree due to a compressed liner sealed between the key halves and the circuit board.

If you really don't want a NAV HU and really don't want HID lights...well, then the FR-S is your twin.

[bestwheelbase]

I wish seat heaters were a standalone option.

Edit: On both FRS and BRZ in the US market.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I wish seat heaters were a standalone option.

Unfortunately, without the margins of a large automotive company we'll never see an a la carte menu from Subaru that you'd get with a German brand.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Unfortunately, without the margins of a large automotive company we'll never see an a la carte menu from Subaru that you'd get with a German brand.

I forgot we are talking about with tiny boutique shops like Toyota and Subaru.

Wait.

(Tongue firmly in cheek my friend!)

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Uh.

Hell yeah. $2000 for Alcantara and leather that looks great? Check. For a push start button that is easily replaced with a red STI button that makes me giggle when I press it? Check. For a better looking center stack? Check. For seat heaters and mirror heaters? Check. Fog lights? Check. Stupid spoiler? I could go without it, but check!

Not to mention things we should all have anyway, but that you can only get with a Limited trim: door courtesy lights and vanity mirror lights.

Oh god what about smart key entry? That's AMAZING. You can even open the trunk just by pressing a button ON the trunk handle if you have the key in your pocket.

Stupid spoiler? Um that spoiler reduces drag and compliments the car's look. Just my $.02

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I forgot we are talking about with tiny boutique shops like Toyota and Subaru.

Wait.

(Tongue firmly in cheek my friend!)

Packages will always work better for the OEM :-/

Originally Posted by Brzetto

Stupid spoiler? Um that spoiler reduces drag and compliments the car's look. Just my $.02

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Packages will always work better for the OEM :-/

Although that spoiler looks good too I still prefer my limited's spoiler.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by BRZfan

Have you tried using the headlight leveling feature to diminish brightness for nighttime driving? I don't know if you have that feature in the FRS.

That is HID specific due to the cutoff required by the brightness level. The lights are bright to the point where I don't trust my peripherals and I drive more cautiously than in vehicles with dimmer headlights, this would only be exacerbated by the brighter HID's. Personal preference is all.

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Yes, for this thread the FR-S to BRZ comparisons would be okay as the OP sanctioned it, but let me pick this apart.

If you really don't want a NAV HU and really don't want HID lights...well, then the FR-S is your twin.

I've got standard Toyota keys, I can see the gaps in the plastic under the buttons, I do not believe it is sufficiently waterproof to protect the electronics and I believe there is a warning in my manual about that, the valet keys I believe have no electronics other than a sealed passive RFID tag, they should function as long as the vehicle does. Again I did not bring up this point to discuss the engineering that goes on but rather personal preference.

And to answer your other allegations, I'll just quote my original post.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

It's worth it if you can look at ALL those options and say "I would appreciate or at worst not mind those things in my car", it's probably the best deal out there in terms of upgrades from a base model (FRS to any BRZ at MSRP), but that doesn't mean anything if you like simple climate controls or having a traditional ignition or cloth over the other stuff.

Glad we agree. :happy0180:

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

Although that spoiler looks good too I still prefer my limited's spoiler.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Glad we agree. :happy0180:

We all have our preferences. I'm immensely satisfied in the Limited trim BRZ and I'm happy you enjoy your FR-S.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Packages will always work better for the OEM :-/

Yeah... I know... nowadays everyone wants a package.

Is that your car? It looks great! Dat blue.

[UncleFester]

I had an FR-S. Now I have a BRZ limited. The extra cost is definitely worth the features you get.

[PMPB]

German 'A la carte' is such a ripoff. You look at those option individual and just cry...

Anyways, every time I drive my limited (Sport-tech in Canada) and have a little chuckle at the HID's. My Mazda had halogen with Optics and they still sucked. The HID's in the BRZ are SOOOO f'ing good I can't help but have a little laugh at how I used to drive at night (not seeing anything) They are so good you rarely need high beams. And yes, I know HID's suck for oncoming drivers, that's why at night in the city, I usually aim them down (manual adjustment knob , which is so f'ing good btw) and in rural area's I aim them up to horizontal (zero setting)

Keyless entry also makes me grin like an idiot. I always imaging people wondering why I leave my car unlocked all the time. I bet I look silly when I swipe the back of the handle to lock it though

All in all, EMPHATIC YES to "Is it worth it"

[oldpueblo]

Just as an FYI, the 10 series narrows the gap a lot with the Limited and you should consider it as well depending on which features matter to you. Below I think is an appropriate comparison and I'm pretty sure the price is almost dead even.

Both have:

Push button start
Upgraded headlights
Auto climate

Differences still:

Front grill design difference, Scion's considered more aggressive
Scion10 has more powerful stock stereo (+100W) and arguably better touch head unit (no nav)
Scion10 is only one paint color Silver Ignition
BRZ has leather seats and heated seats
Scion10 is a true "limited" edition with only 2500 made
Scion10 has light-up badges, a plus or minus depending on your opinion
Scion10 doesn't force a spoiler on you unless you choose one.

My personal opinion based on where I live, there are two things that made me prefer the Scion10 when shopping. The better stock stereo (had no plans to install anything) and the arguably better looking grill design. I live in Arizona, I'll never care about heated seats and don't want my skin to stick to hot leather, so I didn't consider those lacking as a bad thing. I also didn't want a spoiler, I liked the more clean look for some reason.

Anyway, that's more info for you to chew on.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Your body doesn't even touch the leather...it's a "leather" seat with Alcantara inserts. Essentially, only the front of the head rest, the sides of the cushions, and the bolsters are leather. The portion where your body legs rest is Alcantara.