Potential Buyer. Turbo vs. Supercharger

[industrial]

Originally Posted by thill

If you are going to go with bigger heavier GT style cars, you might as well keep the Mustang. Unless you just want something different.

The FT86 platform is so much different than either the Gencoupe or 370z platforms. If you are looking for light and nimble with precise handling, good gearbox, etc I definitely would not recommend a Gencoupe. The 370z is also pretty portly too.

Yeah I know but they are as close as you are going to get to what the OP wants for around the same price. I guess I could've said Cayman R or Elise but they are 2-4x the money. There is nothing else like our car with just a little more power or everyone would be driving that.

[Biggdogg]

Funny enough I was in the exact same boat. Ive been a mustang guy since I fell in love with the Fox bodies as a kid, and it was at the top of my list when I got a new car. After extremely poor service at my local Ford dealer I ended up with a BRZ. Sometimes I regret my choice. Plus all of my friends constantly say they cant believe I went with a 4 cyl over a rumbling 5.0. I test drove a 370, top level Genesis, neither of which really rang my bell. Also a Camaro SS and Challenger Superbee. Ended up with the BRZ because there is something about it, I just cant quite put my finger on it. Yes you WILL want more power. If you are coming from a Mustang you will miss that power. What will be the difference though is if the smile that just driving the car puts on your face is enough to counteract it. Going around corners, driving out back roads, its pure joy. Those are the times I dont regret my decision. Also less than 40 bucks to fill up with 93 octane and 30 miles a gallon doesnt hurt either.

You can chase power, if you have the patients and wallet to keep up. I have very limited mods on my car. Perrin lightweight crank pulley, KN drop in, Nameless OP/DP with high flow cat and Nameless axleback. Not a lot of power gained but my god the sound is breathtaking and improves the driving experience 100 fold.

So being where you are, honestly right now unless you absolutely have to get a car, which was the situation I was in I would wait. The 2015 Mustang could be a gamechanger if Ford doesnt screw it up, plus car show season is closing in fast and you never know what could be shown there that you might be interested in either. As I said I regret my decision sometime, but not in not getting a Mustang, but a 2010 Corvette with 9k miles owned my a friends dad ive known my whole life who is the most anal retentive man on the face of the earth and kept the car pristine. For 32k. That I do regret not buying. But my advice is wait for the time being. See what comes up, and see what Ford does with the Mustang. Ive pretty much decided as long as they dont screw it up I will be selling or trading mine in for one. The only question is immediately upon release or give them a year to work out kinks. So I know where your coming from. Better to wait and see then drop a fair chunk of change and truly regret it.

[Furyus67]

BigDogg thanks for the response. Im glad someone else was in the same exact boat. The handling, gas milage and appearance are all factors pulling me in that direction. Im just going to have to get behind the wheel and see if the lack of power is going to kill me.

[Biggdogg]

Anytime, and yes definitely go for a drive in one. And make sure its a good drive out some back roads and not just highway stuff. I dont think there is anyone on this forum that would buy one of the twins off highway experience only. Its immensely fun on roads where lack of power doesnt hurt as much and will certainly glue a smile to your face, but I wouldnt make a decision right now if you can help it.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Furyus67

BigDogg thanks for the response. Im glad someone else was in the same exact boat. The handling, gas milage and appearance are all factors pulling me in that direction. Im just going to have to get behind the wheel and see if the lack of power is going to kill me.

Is your 1990 Mustang GT modded? I mean, on paper, the BRZ and 90 GT are very close in terms of 0-60 and quatermile times.

Agreed, that getting behind the wheel will really help with the decision. People talk about the FRZ as being "slow" but it really is not unless you are coming from something much faster.

[Furyus67]

Originally Posted by thill

Is your 1990 Mustang GT modded? I mean, on paper, the BRZ and 90 GT are very close in terms of 0-60 and quatermile times.

Agreed, that getting behind the wheel will really help with the decision. People talk about the FRZ as being "slow" but it really is not unless you are coming from something much faster.

stock quarter mile times are very close but there is something about 300 ft lbs of torque from a v8 that a 4 cylinder just wont have. But im sure the BRZ does feel quick

[WolfpackS2k]

I don't know how you feel about older cars, but based on some things you mentioned:
-unique
-lover of all motor power

Have you given any thought to an FD RX-7 (1992-1994 MYs) with an LSx engine swapped in? If the swap is done correction that's a very reliable car and will be more rare than any modern day Ferrari. For instance look at this beauty I stumbled across today:


http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1030...owered-93-rx7/

[enwave]

Originally Posted by Furyus67

stock quarter mile times are very close but there is something about 300 ft lbs of torque from a v8 that a 4 cylinder just wont have. But im sure the BRZ does feel quick

The difference is simple. I have a coworker with a beautiful Shelby GT500, and I have my BRZ. I know the GT500 isn't a standard Mustang, but the philosophical difference between the two cars will do for sake of analogy.

The GT500 is raw, uncontrolled power -- it feels insane when you're behind the wheel. Pull out of a driveway or launch at a stoplight and you'll likely feel that rear axle wiggle everywhere as you lurch from all that torque. Incredibly fun, and insanely fast. Same idea to a lesser extent for a GT.

The BRZ is pure, refined, push-it-to-the-limit-and-still-feel-pretty-safe sportscar. It feels like you're in control of every little thing when you drive, and the experience is smooth and calculated. Incredibly fun, and insanely connected to the driver.

So judge how you liked that 90GT, and whether you liked that feeling of uncontrolled, wiggly, totally awesome power or would prefer to drive something slower but more refined and calculated so that you are always able to push it to the limit.

I think you'll be bummed if you go buy the BRZ with the wrong impression, but will be thrilled and will never look back if you go into it with the right one.

EDIT: Oh and as for your original question if you do buy the BRZ -- don't go FI yet. Give the NA car enough of your time to decide if you really want it. While doing that, you'll either fall in love with the (albeit underpowered) NA instant response or you'll have enough experience from others in the FA20 world to make a more informed decision on what is a good reliable solution for you.

[Furyus67]

Good advice enwave. Appreciate it

[mechaghost]

Test Drive first to figure out if you can enjoy the car without the added power. I'm not a big fan of people saying, "if I had 300 hp" just because. I think it is best for you and your wallet to have a goal in why you want to achieve a certain powah

[WolfpackS2k]

After 7 months of ownership I feel like my car needs FI. And for anyone worried about losing NA throttle response there's always the Innovate pos displacement supercharger. No lost throttle response there.

[enwave]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

After 7 months of ownership I feel like my car needs FI. And for anyone worried about losing NA throttle response there's always the Innovate pos displacement supercharger. No lost throttle response there.

I have a feeling I might feel that way in a year or two as well. But for now, I'm loving it NA. And the Innovate option is actually the one I'm looking into, since it does seem to present the least boost lag.

[suaveflooder]

you will not be happy with this car if you are looking for power. I came from a 500 rwhp cobra, but I also KNEW what to expect from this car. I'm beyond happy with this car.

Coming from a fox (owned two myself), you are looking at a world of difference in build quality, and handling, the 90's fox's put out 25 more horse stock and a hell of a lot more torque. I assume yours is not stock, so if you are looking for a new car with power, pick something else.

Terminators are coming down in price. I sold mine for $16,500. I think you'll be happier with that. Just my opinion.

[m.wood0213]

DRIVE THE CAR FIRST. The numbers do not do the twins justice.