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Furyus67 · 08-09-2013, 12:06 PM

So I have always been an all motor Mustang kind of guy. Im thinking about coming over to the darkside because I love the unique styling of the BRZ. But, of course im going to want more power. I know very little when it comes to turbos and superchargers. My question is what would be the most reliabe power adder? I dont need 400 hp numbers, I would just like the little extra power that im used to but a reliable car i can drive everyday with little to worry about. If someone could describe the two differences I would aprreciate it.

G_Ride · 08-09-2013, 12:18 PM

You should probably ask in the Forced Induction section. However, I do think the jury is still out as to which will be more reliable, if there even will be a difference. There's a lot of factors to consider (boost, fuel used, intercooled/non-intercooled, tune, etc.) and it's still too early to know. There isn't enough data points.

ThisIsChrisKim · 08-09-2013, 12:23 PM

Honestly, I'd wait to see. If power is important to you, this might not be a good car to get. You might be really unhappy.

thill · 08-09-2013, 12:26 PM

I would go look in the FI subforum. There are guys with 300+ whp on these cars and using them as daily drivers. So there are lots of option out there. But there are still lots of kinks being worked out as the car is still so new.

CSG Mike · 08-09-2013, 12:26 PM

This may be blasphemy to a Mustang guy, but I'd consider a LS swap.... this is the wrong car if you're looking for power.

industrial · 08-09-2013, 12:26 PM

Save yourself alot of trouble and buy a 370z or genesis coupe. I don't think this car is for you. I'm looking to spend around $10,000 to get a "reliable" 250whp. Does that sound about right to you?

G_Ride · 08-09-2013, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

This may be blasphemy to a Mustang guy, but I'd consider a LS swap.... this is the wrong car if you're looking for power.

lol, good point. I guess it'll depend on how much of a Ford guy he is.

Furyus67 · 08-09-2013, 12:32 PM

Thanks for the responses. Im just looking for something new. Mustangs are a dime a dozen and im lookin to be a little different now.

thill · 08-09-2013, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by industrial

Save yourself alot of trouble and buy a 370z or genesis coupe. I don't think this car is for you. I'm looking to spend around $10,000 to get a "reliable" 250whp. Does that sound about right to you?

If you are going to go with bigger heavier GT style cars, you might as well keep the Mustang. Unless you just want something different.

The FT86 platform is so much different than either the Gencoupe or 370z platforms. If you are looking for light and nimble with precise handling, good gearbox, etc I definitely would not recommend a Gencoupe. The 370z is also pretty portly too.

CSG Mike · 08-09-2013, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by industrial

Save yourself alot of trouble and buy a 370z or genesis coupe. I don't think this car is for you. I'm looking to spend around $10,000 to get a "reliable" 250whp. Does that sound about right to you?

Depends on what you consider reliable....

orthojoe · 08-09-2013, 12:40 PM

Take my advice because it will save you a lot of trouble.

If the stock power levels are not sufficient for you, don't buy the car
If you already bought the car and you're not happy with the power levels, sell the car

All those running FI will only tell you how great it is. If there are any issues/problems, it won't be mentioned. They won't tell you the real reason why they are selling the car a few months later too.

... cue the outrage from FI proponents....

G_Ride · 08-09-2013, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furyus67

Thanks for the responses. Im just looking for something new. Mustangs are a dime a dozen and im lookin to be a little different now.

Have you driven a BRZ yet? I'd suggest you do so if you haven't yet, and also test drive the Genesis Coupe (both the turbo and V6). It may help you decide if you really want the BRZ and wlling to go force induction. Honestly, I was impressed when I test drove a Genesis Coupe R-Spec V6; the power was pretty good and handling was decent enough.

CSG Mike · 08-09-2013, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orthojoe

Take my advice because it will save you a lot of trouble.

If the stock power levels are not sufficient for you, don't buy the car
If you already bought the car and you're not happy with the power levels, sell the car

All those running FI will only tell you how great it is. If there are any issues/problems, it won't be mentioned. They won't tell you the real reason why they are selling the car a few months later too.

... cue the outrage from FI proponents....

I'm not happy with the power

thill · 08-09-2013, 12:59 PM

At this point you might want to wait and see what happens with the next gen Mustang. It could be what you are ultimately looking for as it should be lighter, have a better suspension and handling, yet still have over 300hp through either a V6 or turbo 4.

I do agree with the above though. If you don't like the power in the FT86 platform and have to go aftermarket to boose hp/tq out of the box, you might want to look at other options.

The upcoming WRX Sti could be a good alternative along with the upcoming VW GTI.

08-09-2013, 12:06 PM	#1
Furyus67 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Location: USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Potential Buyer. Turbo vs. Supercharger So I have always been an all motor Mustang kind of guy. Im thinking about coming over to the darkside because I love the unique styling of the BRZ. But, of course im going to want more power. I know very little when it comes to turbos and superchargers. My question is what would be the most reliabe power adder? I dont need 400 hp numbers, I would just like the little extra power that im used to but a reliable car i can drive everyday with little to worry about. If someone could describe the two differences I would aprreciate it.

08-09-2013, 12:40 PM	#11
orthojoe Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: USA Posts: 485 Thanks: 199 Thanked 339 Times in 158 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 10 Thread(s)	Take my advice because it will save you a lot of trouble. If the stock power levels are not sufficient for you, don't buy the car If you already bought the car and you're not happy with the power levels, sell the car All those running FI will only tell you how great it is. If there are any issues/problems, it won't be mentioned. They won't tell you the real reason why they are selling the car a few months later too. ... cue the outrage from FI proponents.... __________________ 2013 Subaru BRZ

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G_Ride Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: Some kind of Subaru Location: Campbell, CA Posts: 769 Thanks: 276 Thanked 257 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	You should probably ask in the Forced Induction section. However, I do think the jury is still out as to which will be more reliable, if there even will be a difference. There's a lot of factors to consider (boost, fuel used, intercooled/non-intercooled, tune, etc.) and it's still too early to know. There isn't enough data points.

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ThisIsChrisKim Hockey Playing Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Limited 6MT (WRB) Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 145 Thanks: 2 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Honestly, I'd wait to see. If power is important to you, this might not be a good car to get. You might be really unhappy.

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thill Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner) Location: North Pole Posts: 2,753 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would go look in the FI subforum. There are guys with 300+ whp on these cars and using them as daily drivers. So there are lots of option out there. But there are still lots of kinks being worked out as the car is still so new.

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,562 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,211 Times in 6,854 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	This may be blasphemy to a Mustang guy, but I'd consider a LS swap.... this is the wrong car if you're looking for power.

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industrial Add lightness! Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 17' WRX Location: Boston Posts: 1,253 Thanks: 380 Thanked 888 Times in 411 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Save yourself alot of trouble and buy a 370z or genesis coupe. I don't think this car is for you. I'm looking to spend around $10,000 to get a "reliable" 250whp. Does that sound about right to you?

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Furyus67 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Location: USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks for the responses. Im just looking for something new. Mustangs are a dime a dozen and im lookin to be a little different now.

08-09-2013, 12:59 PM	#14
thill Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner) Location: North Pole Posts: 2,753 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	At this point you might want to wait and see what happens with the next gen Mustang. It could be what you are ultimately looking for as it should be lighter, have a better suspension and handling, yet still have over 300hp through either a V6 or turbo 4. I do agree with the above though. If you don't like the power in the FT86 platform and have to go aftermarket to boose hp/tq out of the box, you might want to look at other options. The upcoming WRX Sti could be a good alternative along with the upcoming VW GTI.

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