BRZ STi tS Confirmed. Teased on Official Website

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by snky_snky

I hear you, but I just welcome more modification options for our cars. I could care less what someone else thinks my car needs, or if a poor driver runs himself off the road.... Then I can take advantage of his "For Sale: STi part-out" thread haha

LOL! You bad. I, too, agree with variety for variety's sake. However, this car is very low-volume. Making a tS model with parts that any of us can and will buy makes way more sense than making an FI variant that very few will or could buy, especially if Toyota isn't going that route. Emphasis on "especially" because where would an FI Scion FR-S go within the line-up? There's no place for it. If they killed Scion and made the Toyota GT-86 USDM then I could see for greater variety.

[snky_snky]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Emphasis on "especially" because where would an FI Scion FR-S go within the line-up?

I agree. The scion would become the v6 camaro of the lineup haha. I pondered earlier that maybe there is an agreement between Subaru and Toyota that one cannot out-power the other in stock form. ***No, people, I am not starting rumors, just a thought ;-)

[Jive Turkey]

eh. it will comes with things i've modified or will end up modifying. unless the interior is drastically different i couldn't care ANY less. i knew they would never go forced induction from factory, or else so many would be destroyed, people can barely handle this thing in stock NA form, adding boost would just be a recipe for disaster. plus i love being able to drive the car 10/10th's on the street and not be breaking the rules. if i went 10/10's in my sti i'd be going well over 130 in a heart beat. everyone who is saying this car needs boost or any of that crap hasn't lived with it day to day and hasn't tracked it.

can it use more power, sure. does that mean it needs boost. hell no.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by snky_snky

I don't understand some of the N/A faithfuls bashing the idea of a turbo STi down the road. You own a BRZ and love it, right? Then congrats, you own a car that suits you and only had to pay ~ $28k. Personally, I'm also of the belief that the current model's output is nearly spot-on as is (light exhaust upgrades and tuning = no more torque dip = more than adequate for my tastes).

But honestly, the more upgrades that STi rolls out, the better. These are just more OEM solutions to customize our cars to meet our individual needs (people from all over the continent with different driving routines are trying to agree on the 'perfect' setup... Lol).

The tS bits are great if you're not looking for more power. But I still hope a turbo'd STi edition comes out eventually for one selfish reason: If I ever decided to go F/I, I'd love to bolt up some factory-fit, OEM components vs. buying a tuner kit for my '13.

Can't we all just get along? ;-)

I don't know. I enjoy my car as-is and I would enjoy it a lot less if there was a much faster factory option that I couldn't afford. I know you may think that is stupid and petty but it is the truth, at least for me. It is like owning a V6 Mustang, pretty cool car by itself, but you roll up next to a Mustang GT and it's "just a V6"...

[Jawnathin]

That TRD brake kit for $8k is a rip off. I can get Brembo CCBs for my Z06 for that much.

[snky_snky]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I don't know. I enjoy my car as-is and I would enjoy it a lot less if there was a much faster factory option that I couldn't afford. I know you may think that is stupid and petty but it is the truth, at least for me. It is like owning a V6 Mustang, pretty cool car by itself, but you roll up next to a Mustang GT and it's "just a V6"...

That's a good point. I'd feel that way if I planned to leave my car completely stock. But, I'm impressed enough with the effects of simple aero/suspension/exhaust on these cars.

[tacoss23]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

The issue is that people say these cars "NEED" a turbo when they don't. If their purpose to be built didn't include a turbo, then they don't NEED a turbo. People just WANT a turbo because they want to show off and a turbo compensates for their poor driving skills. Once that turbo spools up, most people are suddenly off the road, and that's with an AWD car. I would love to see insurance sky rocket with a turbocharged FT-86 let loose. Loose, I say!

I don't think anyone says this car needs a "turbo". What people are saying this car needs some extra horsepower.

Is everyone saying that? No, of course not, but a good bunch are.

According to your logic, if X Company doesn't make something, then you don't need it. Hmm....I wonder how every invention and product evolution has happened in the past 2 centuries? Most of the time companies DON'T know what you need, they start with a rough idea, like "an entry level sports cars", then they refine that idea through the years and generations according to the feedback of the consumers.

It's a sports car, it can always use more power (assuming a perfect world of no drawbacks like weight, balance, etc). Nobody is asking for a ridiculous amount of horse power, or a heavy v8, most people agree that extra 30-50 whp will make this car perfect, and guess what easy option gives you that?

I bet you anything, that eventually there will be a more powerful BRZ, exactly because the reason you dismissed, which is we as consumers will be getting the message across of "needs more power", Toyota/Subaru will get the point and accommodate their product accordingly, otherwise the competition will jump on the opportunity. That's how the market works, we tell the people that make stuff what we need and want, whoever makes it, wins.

[HeubergerMotors]

Fun stuff!

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

I don't think anyone says this car needs a "turbo". What people are saying this car needs some extra horsepower.

Is everyone saying that? No, of course not, but a good bunch are.

According to your logic, if X Company doesn't make something, then you don't need it. Hmm....I wonder how every invention and product evolution has happened in the past 2 centuries? Most of the time companies DON'T know what you need, they start with a rough idea, like "an entry level sports cars", then they refine that idea through the years and generations according to the feedback of the consumers.

It's a sports car, it can always use more power (assuming a perfect world of no drawbacks like weight, balance, etc). Nobody is asking for a ridiculous amount of horse power, or a heavy v8, most people agree that extra 30-50 whp will make this car perfect, and guess what easy option gives you that?

I bet you anything, that eventually there will be a more powerful BRZ, exactly because the reason you dismissed, which is we as consumers will be getting the message across of "needs more power", Toyota/Subaru will get the point and accommodate their product accordingly, otherwise the competition will jump on the opportunity. That's how the market works, we tell the people that make stuff what we need and want, whoever makes it, wins.

Don't be so dramatic. If people WANT more power that the aftermarket can't provide, then the manufacturer can choose to give it more power. Power = fun, sure. However, these cars were made to be fun without "extra" power. That's all I'm getting at.

The only time I feel my car is lacking is when I wish I had an extra 50hp to MORE quickly pull around someone... but then I just think of reverse polarity and realize I can look just as good hitting my brakes, letting that person make an ass of themselves as they take off at high speeds and I still look good cruising by "normally" through traffic.

I just think cars like these require smarter driving than what most people are used to and I still contend that more power just makes sloppier drivers. I've owned 3 turbocharged Subaru's and I used to be one of those other people. I've also owned some nice, balanced vehicles and I've learned to appreciate a car that handles better over more power.

I'm not alone on this, but I don't think you're wrong either. It's just a preference, but my preference doesn't have me shouting to the heavens for something that, if it did exist, would take YEARS to come out anyways. In the meantime I'd be missing out on such a real experience as what the FT-86 is providing. It's an exciting platform that has the automotive industry in a tizzy. A 250HP BRZ will not be that big of news if it ever came out, mostly because, "Been there, done that, next" attitude that comes with having a RWD sports car with FI. Sound familiar? Okay, now 200HP NA RWD sport car? Less familiar-sounding, right? Which one might allow you to feel more unique?

I'll take the current snowflake over the future, theoretical one.

[DantKR]

Just saying the turbo forester comes with 250hp and 258tq lol.

[chanomatik]

Go drive a Forester and tell us what you think. I had an 08 Forester XT with 5-speed manual. Definitely no comparison to the BRZ, Sir. Hell, I can barely compare my 08 FSXT with a 2014 FXT, so I'm not sure why there's a comparison of that vehicle to the BRZ? Plus the new Forester costs $28k at a steal, otherwise up to $38k easy. It's more of an STI, according to Subaru.

[Carrozzeria]

"6 pot Brembo brakes. 200hp will not take a lot of stopping."


Still excited to see it in person!

[Mr.Zoolittle]

I'm very excited about this, was hoping for a bump in the tq or hp. Still sounds sweet!!!

[Jaylyons1]

Sounds about like what I expected... which is why I bought mine last year.