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Old 08-05-2013, 11:31 AM   #99
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Does the STI version come without crickets? If so... I might trade up.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:41 AM   #100
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Would be odd and hope not since I'm getting a 2014 soon. I would think 2016 model (late 2015) as it seems a bit pointless for a facelift due to its popularity. Normally the facelift is to be a shot in the arm for slow sales. Who knows though.
Yeah I think it's another wishful thinking blown out of proportion rumor.

Remember how last year, they were swearing all over the interment and magazine articles how a turbo charged STI BRZ was coming? Most of us with common sense knew that wasn't true, not for this year at least.

Same here, a '14 facelift seems silly. A '15 facelift however, will seem likely, if they were another car company. But knowing Subaru and Toyota, I don't think we will see "major" facelifts until sales plateau, which won't happen in the next 2 years for sure.

In my opinion, another rumor that doesn't make sense.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #101
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I just bought my FRS. I should have waited!
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #102
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Does the STI version come without crickets? If so... I might trade up.
STI version has extra crickets.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:44 AM   #103
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$42,000 bucks and that's without a Turbo....Um..yea don't think so.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:45 AM   #104
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Great. Just what i need - the want to buy a $40k BRZ.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:48 AM   #105
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Personally, when you go over $30k you are in a dangerous territory if you are thinking on buying a BRZ to mod. You have so many options: 370z, Camaro SS, Mustang GT, 3.8 R Genesis Coupe, hell you can even get a used 2008-2010 Porsche Cayman S with less than 30k miles for low $30ks.

Sometimes people forget, the main reason this car is appealing to us, is because it's low entry level price of mid 20s, so it can be modded as we go. The moment you go over 30k, you crossed a line where is no longer a good idea.
By that reasoning, no one should ever buy a BRZ. Just get a used supercharged Lotus Elise in the mid-20k range instead. Considering how limited this run of tS 'STI's will be, it's for big-time Subaru fanboys with money to blow, not sensible people on a budget.

Hell, the insurance jump alone would prevent me from considering the tS. Unless it has a turbo or supercharger, I'm not interested in trading up. The base BRZ handles beautifully and only needs tires (maybe a front sway) to keep up with most other cars around an autocross circuit.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:55 AM   #106
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Reminds me a lot of the Mugen Civic Si... 30k for a Civic Si with a slightly stiffer suspension and an under-body spoiler? No thanks. Which brings up another good point relating to the Mugen Si, if the tS does come to the US, you better keep that thing locked up at night.
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A $40k dollar Paper Weight in hopes that it will be a collectors item in a few decades is about the only investment suitable for this.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:18 PM   #108
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:30 PM   #109
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hmmm....how would've this release changed your mind?

FR-S = $25255

BRZ tS = $41000

Unless you got the 10 series, that's almost $16k difference in price.

Personally, when you go over $30k you are in a dangerous territory if you are thinking on buying a BRZ to mod. You have so many options: 370z, Camaro SS, Mustang GT, 3.8 R Genesis Coupe, hell you can even get a used 2008-2010 Porsche Cayman S with less than 30k miles for low $30ks.

Sometimes people forget, the main reason this car is appealing to us, is because it's low entry level price of mid 20s, so it can be modded as we go. The moment you go over 30k, you crossed a line where is no longer a good idea.
I totally agree with your post. Just wanted to point out the fact of the weak Yen versus US dollar....so that $41,000 might be priced closer to $34-$35K if actually sold in US market.

Regardless, you are still over that $30K threshold and your points are still spot on. This is one of the reasons I bought the car. I wanted a new sports car, needed a back seat for a DD, AND wanted to stay under 30K. Add in the incredible handling and sharp styling of the BRZ and I was sold.
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Facelift isn't for the 2014s assuming? October 2014 reveal?
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I'm guessing that the facelift will be for model year 2015. I'm honestly kinda shocked that it's coming so quick...more like annoyed because I would've waited on buying if it was going to come this quick. The only comforting thought is that the 2013 release will be the cheapest one with all the new "add-ons" and subsequent price hikes.
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Yeah I think it's another wishful thinking blown out of proportion rumor.

Remember how last year, they were swearing all over the interment and magazine articles how a turbo charged STI BRZ was coming? Most of us with common sense knew that wasn't true, not for this year at least.

Same here, a '14 facelift seems silly. A '15 facelift however, will seem likely, if they were another car company. But knowing Subaru and Toyota, I don't think we will see "major" facelifts until sales plateau, which won't happen in the next 2 years for sure.

In my opinion, another rumor that doesn't make sense.
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I think we're all jumping the gun a little too quickly here, let's think about this. A "fully loaded" BRZ equivalent to a USDM Limited in Japan is probably close to maybe 35k USD in Japan versus the 28k USD that we are aware of. The prices that we pay in the US are never a direct translation of the price in Japan. Between 35k USD and 40k USD in the Japanese market, it's only an additional 5k for Japanese consumers for a bunch of STI parts not to mention a redesigned interior. Though it won't be coming to the US market, if it was, it would definitely be priced closer to 32k to 33k, which would be about the same 5k difference versus a USDM Limited model. And that's assuming they would even charge the same amount here as in Japan.

Who else paid 700$ for that piece of plastic rear diffuser and 100$ for the chrome fender trim? I'm sure 5k is worth all those additional parts even minus a turbo.
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Just a tide me over until a real STi version comes out. We can wait another 2 years for them to come out with a proper STi.
this is a real sti...

tS stands for "tuned by STI"
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