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cslntuee · 08-04-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

You definitely don't want to swap out just the rear sway bar. Doing so will upset the balance of the car. This isn't a front heavy FWD car that needs help rotating, it's a well balanced RWD car.

I saw the TRD (USA) only release the rear sway bar for FRS without front. ><

http://www.toyotaterritory.com/scrip...idproduct=1733

Calum · 08-04-2013, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FriedRicr

about a finger to a finger and a half from stock if possible. and oh no, you didn't offend anyone. didn't mean to sound hard like that. completely appreciate your help!

It's been said, but I want to repeat it because it's true. Audi's are nose heavy and because of it require VERY different suspension tuning.

For what you've stated I'd suggest Racecomp Engineering springs, front camber bolts, and possibly front control arm bushings.

If you get an alignment and the rear camber isn't even then you should look into a way to correct that, but I think you should leave it until then.

console_cowboy · 08-04-2013, 04:55 PM

I'm going to have to say that I agree with most of the above posts... Starting with a rear sway bar is an odd place to start for these cars. Not the worst place to start if you have an audi though.

I would really go with what other people say and recommend a quality set of springs that matches your goals. I went with RCE Yellow springs myself, but I wanted a neutral handling car. You could look at Swift or some other options if you want different handling characteristics than the RCE Yellows provide.

I would say that the alignment matters quite a bit on the FT86 platform. Small changes in alignment have given significant changes in handling. I am currently running about -1.3 front camber, -1.2 rear camber, 0 front toe, and just a slight toe in on the rear. This, combined with RCE yellow springs has given me an excellent handling and very predictable car. I'm running the inexpensive SPC rear control arms in the rear, as well as crash bolts up front to even out my camber. With only crash bolts, I could only get about -.9 front camber (and had some rubbing), so I added the whiteline top hats to get more negative front camber and clearance for my wheels. I'd recommend staying away from the top hats till they get some issues worked out. Rear control arms and crash bolts are all you should need to even out your camber. You could also try the whiteline camber replacement bushings for the rear. I have a set, but never installed them. The install process was a serious PITA since I could not find a shop locally willing to deal with it.

Miniata · 08-04-2013, 04:59 PM

I'd suggest taking your advice from fellow BRZ/FRS owners, but even that will vary widely. Better yet, try to find some other BRZ/FRS owners in your area with suspension modifications and get rides in their cars to see what feels right to you. You could also go to a local autocross, there should be a number of twins there, and most owners will welcome ride-alongs. We usually have at least half a dozen at our autocrosses, with everything from bone stock to heavily modified suspension.

Personally I added a front bar only to my BRZ, and was very pleased with the improvements in feel and handling. Did the same to my Mustang and Miata. My Mini is getting a rear only bar, and I've done just rear bars to other FWD cars in the past.

FriedRicr · 08-04-2013, 05:35 PM

Thank you all for the input! I will do alot more HW and See what best fits me! saved me a couple hundred that i didn't even need to spend right now!

Calum · 08-04-2013, 06:59 PM

Something I forgot to mention, tires.

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CSG Mike · 08-04-2013, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

Isn't your shop car running stock sways??

Yup!

utekineir · 08-04-2013, 10:49 PM

are your friends audis 10 years old and slammed on cheap coils?

Sccabrz192 · 08-05-2013, 12:23 PM

Start here:

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Racecomp Engineering · 08-05-2013, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

Start here:

Amazon.com: How to Make Your Car Handle (9780912656465): Fred Puhn: Books

That's a great book.

- Andy

08-04-2013, 04:59 PM	#18
Miniata Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ - 90 Miata - 07 FXT -05 Mini Location: Ohio Posts: 546 Thanks: 6 Thanked 142 Times in 105 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd suggest taking your advice from fellow BRZ/FRS owners, but even that will vary widely. Better yet, try to find some other BRZ/FRS owners in your area with suspension modifications and get rides in their cars to see what feels right to you. You could also go to a local autocross, there should be a number of twins there, and most owners will welcome ride-alongs. We usually have at least half a dozen at our autocrosses, with everything from bone stock to heavily modified suspension. Personally I added a front bar only to my BRZ, and was very pleased with the improvements in feel and handling. Did the same to my Mustang and Miata. My Mini is getting a rear only bar, and I've done just rear bars to other FWD cars in the past. __________________ 17x7 Kosei K1-TS w/ 215/45-17 Dunlop Star Specs Nameless Track Pipe - Strano front sway bar

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08-04-2013, 04:55 PM	#17
console_cowboy Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Black BRZ Limited Location: Mississippi Posts: 81 Thanks: 42 Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm going to have to say that I agree with most of the above posts... Starting with a rear sway bar is an odd place to start for these cars. Not the worst place to start if you have an audi though. I would really go with what other people say and recommend a quality set of springs that matches your goals. I went with RCE Yellow springs myself, but I wanted a neutral handling car. You could look at Swift or some other options if you want different handling characteristics than the RCE Yellows provide. I would say that the alignment matters quite a bit on the FT86 platform. Small changes in alignment have given significant changes in handling. I am currently running about -1.3 front camber, -1.2 rear camber, 0 front toe, and just a slight toe in on the rear. This, combined with RCE yellow springs has given me an excellent handling and very predictable car. I'm running the inexpensive SPC rear control arms in the rear, as well as crash bolts up front to even out my camber. With only crash bolts, I could only get about -.9 front camber (and had some rubbing), so I added the whiteline top hats to get more negative front camber and clearance for my wheels. I'd recommend staying away from the top hats till they get some issues worked out. Rear control arms and crash bolts are all you should need to even out your camber. You could also try the whiteline camber replacement bushings for the rear. I have a set, but never installed them. The install process was a serious PITA since I could not find a shop locally willing to deal with it.

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FriedRicr Woop Dee Woop Woop Woop Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Raven 6MT FR-S Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 285 Thanks: 434 Thanked 63 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thank you all for the input! I will do alot more HW and See what best fits me! saved me a couple hundred that i didn't even need to spend right now!

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