Turbo FR-S and convertible plans axed?

[Liquidsnake]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I am glad one of them finally came out and said that the turbo version of the twins is not financially viable. Not a whole ton of people are going to pay $30k+ for a car with the build and interior quality of the FRZ.

This is true.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

They specify the Scion is being axed for tubro and cabrio. It doesn't say the Toyota or Subaru versions will be. They'll likely still make them available for the places with the Toyota and Subaru version.

Two possibilities:

1) Subaru sells a Turbo and/or a Cabrio and/or a Turbo Cabrio (FTW!) in North America

2) Subaru only sells the Turbo / Cabrio in non-american markets to match Toyota

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Liquidsnake

This is true.

umm....

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

A base 370Z, here, is $40,978. You have to keep in mind the differences between the FR-S and 86 GT Limited too (see the link in my thread.)

So we're not really talking apples to apples here in the way of car prices. In other words, if a turbo FRZ was $35k here, it would probably be more like $45k+ where you are, right? Would you be willing to spend $45k or more where you live for an FI GT86/BRZ with 240-250hp at the crank?

I am not really trying to argue with you about whether or not people would buy a BRZ STi here in The States for $35k+. Someone would. Obviously neither Subaru or Toyota thinks that enough people would for it to be worth building at the moment.

There are a decent number of people on here that will talk up and down about how they wish there was a turbo or supercharged model and they would totally jump on it if only Toyota/Subaru would release it. But I would put good money on a lot of those people changing their minds when the car hit the showroom floors with a $35k price tag on it.

I don't know, this is probably the third thread where I have argued with people about an FI model of the twins not being financially viable. If there was money to be made by "slapping a turbo on it" and selling it for more money, I am pretty sure both companies would be all over it. It is not like they don't like money.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

So we're not really talking apples to apples here in the way of car prices. In other words, if a turbo FRZ was $35k here, it would probably be more like $45k+ where you are, right? Would you be willing to spend $45k or more where you live for an FI GT86/BRZ with 240-250hp at the crank?

I am not really trying to argue with you about whether or not people would buy a BRZ STi here in The States for $35k+. Someone would. Obviously neither Subaru or Toyota thinks that enough people would for it to be worth building at the moment.

There are a decent number of people on here that will talk up and down about how they wish there was a turbo or supercharged model and they would totally jump on it if only Toyota/Subaru would release it. But I would put good money on a lot of those people changing their minds when the car hit the showroom floors with a $35k price tag on it.

I don't know, this is probably the third thread where I have argued with people about an FI model of the twins not being financially viable. If there was money to be made by "slapping a turbo on it" and selling it for more money, I am pretty sure both companies would be all over it. It is not like they don't like money.

So what I wonder is how many Imprenza's vs. STI's are sold and how much more is made with the higher performance varient. Under normal circumstances there' normally a LOT of profit padded into high performance versions of cars. It's expensive for us to get hi-po parts but manufactures who are buying things in volume can buy them at DEEP discounts and integrate those into their production.

The turbo thing is a done deal because Subaru already has an emissions certified 300hp turbo version of the FA20 in production!



It would be academic for them to put that motor in, add some brembo sourced STI brakes, and new wheels and tires (everything currently in production and ready to go). Their only expenses are some revised suspension tuning and the government mandated paper work.

I would gladly place a cash bet that a turbo BRZ STI is inevitable before this model run is up

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

I would gladly place a cash bet that a turbo BRZ STI is inevitable before this model run is up

$5 just for fun between you and me? Could be in the form of a Starbucks gift card or something stupid like that, that way it can just be over email.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

$5 just for fun between you and me? Could be in the form of a Starbucks gift card or something stupid like that, that way it can just be over email.

Deal!

[zigzagz94]

This article and pretty much every other one that has popped up recently has cited Automotive News as their source for this info. Funny thing is that Automotive News has been saying that the turbo and convertible were cancelled due to their price being too high for a Scion model for over a year now.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#axzz2aniSWAOs

The original Automotive News article is from July 30 2012
The newest one is just a rehash of that old article with a 2013 date.
If you do a search you'll find these same types of articles popped up last year all citing Automotive News as their source. Like this one:

http://www.0-60mag.com/news/2012/08/...ome-stateside/

or this one:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...s-for-america/




Since we've seen a near production ready FR-S convertible concept at a recent auto show, I would totally disregard anything Automotive News is saying. They have no F'ing clue what they're talking about.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

They specify the Scion is being axed for tubro and cabrio. It doesn't say the Toyota or Subaru versions will be. They'll likely still make them available for the places with the Toyota and Subaru version. Many of us called this, many times, when they announced it'd be a Scion in North America. This is why the car should not have been a Scion. It's price bracket is too high for Scion. We're getting shafted, again, as we knew we would. Should have been a Toyota.

DylanFRS, I and a few others were willing to pay 30k+ for the Toyota 86 GT Limited version, without a turbo. As a Toyota, it would have had the option to be more expensive than the Scion and less expensive than the Scion, depending on what trim was purchased. Giving it to Scion was a terrible mistake on Toyota's part. The single model with no options thing is destroying the future expansion of the car in North America.




There's been rumors about Toyota working with BMW on a new Supra for a while now. I highly doubt it'd be a flat 6 though, that's not what BMW does. BMW's thing has been straight 6's and seeing as the Supra shared that, that's likely what it'll end up with.

Yeah sorry I meant a straight 6 lol. Doh If only they went with a collaboration with Porsche for their flat 6 hahah... now i'm just dreaming.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Deal!

I hope you like Starbucks: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/04/s...s-coming-soon/

We'll see how it actually plays out. Could be the new turbo FA20 engine they have been developing or it could just be the same as the BRZ S package that Australia just got...

I am hoping for the latter. The enjoyment of my base model FR-S is not going to be the same if there is a higher performance model that I can't afford all over the place. "Oh yeah, I think Dylan has one of those FR-S/BRZ things. Oh wait, it's not the STi model so who cares?"

Edit: Not sure of the validity of the info on this site, but seems legit and right inline with the latter option above: http://www.7tune.com/news-the-facts-...ti-ts-version/

Edit 2: Also now realize that this has all already been covered in another thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43358
There are too many threads in this forum to keep up with all of them. I click new posts but I don't have time to look at all 5 pages on new posts every time I hop on the forum.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I hope you like Starbucks: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/04/s...s-coming-soon/

"I would gladly place a cash bet that a turbo BRZ STI is inevitable before this model run is up"

Don't count my chickens before they hatched! Not that I have any issues with some yummy Starbucks products but we actually need to see a turbo in production. I know that all of the pieces are there and Subaru can do it whenever they want; I do have a suspicion they won't release a turbo version of the BRZ to for quite a while avoid irritating Toyota who have already said they will never turbo the car. I expect we'll be waiting years for a turbo BRZ.

If they get another 50hp out of this STI they'll probably do it by massaging the existing NA FA20.

[@Art_Mighty]

http://jalopnik.com/the-leaked-subar...-s-1030254979?

"UPDATE: Subaru has confirmed that the STi that was teased last night if just a tuned tS, not a full bore STi. Next time. Next time..."

[Hachiroku]

Tweet from Caradvice.com.au

#Toyota's project manager for the #86 says the convertible is not dead. The Rumours are false. A new drop-too concept to be shown at Tokyo.

- [ame]https://twitter.com/car_advice/status/365387176290156545[/ame]

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by Hachiroku

Tweet from Caradvice.com.au

#Toyota's project manager for the #86 says the convertible is not dead. The Rumours are false. A new drop-too concept to be shown at Tokyo.

- https://twitter.com/car_advice/statu...87176290156545