Break in Y/N ?

[mav1178]

^^ my point exactly, and I have plenty of lawyer friends that need to eat (off Subaru) if they want to screw me over.

-alex

[86SPEED]

Originally Posted by FiRStscion

Hey guys,
Going to be getting a FRS in a couple weeks and always was curious about the break in. Is it necessary? I've done some research and there is a lot of mixed things being said about it. Some say do it for the first 1k, some say 3k. Some say dont rev past 3k RPM and some say make sure u rev up to 6-7k RPM's here and there during break in. And some say that a break in is not even required because of the fact that all new cars have their engines broken in at the factory. Wanted to get some good feedback as i would like to take care of my car and make sure it's being treated right! thanks guys!

I broke mine in for the first 1k miles or so- keeping the RPM's under 4k for the most part. Haven't had any issues and I'm at about 23k miles now. This was my first time breaking in a new vehicle, and I had heard mixed break in periods from various owners. Most of my club (Vegas86) has also waited until the 1k mile mark to start driving their 86 hard. Seems to pose no issue afterwards.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Getting pretty tired of all the unqualified advice in these threads, and the threads in general.

You can do it the way the manual says, and it could save you a lot of heartache down the road. Or you could listen to people who post on internet forums with their online degrees in mechanical engineering saying it's a worthless lawyer label.

Do the break in properly and you won't have to worry if you're the reason why the thing's got reliability issues down the road. You can always be more conservative or do it longer, it won't hurt it.

But honestly, in the big scheme of things, you're break-in will take a month or two AT MOST. You're going to own the car for years if you're most people.

Be patient, do the break-in.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

Be patient, do the break-in.

My break-in period was over in about 12 hours upon receipt of the car.

-alex

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

Getting pretty tired of all the unqualified advice in these threads, and the threads in general.

You can do it the way the manual says, and it could save you a lot of heartache down the road. Or you could listen to people who post on internet forums with their online degrees in mechanical engineering saying it's a worthless lawyer label.

Do the break in properly and you won't have to worry if you're the reason why the thing's got reliability issues down the road. You can always be more conservative or do it longer, it won't hurt it.

But honestly, in the big scheme of things, you're break-in will take a month or two AT MOST. You're going to own the car for years if you're most people.

Be patient, do the break-in.

Lets both do dyno runs at the 60K mark and see who makes more power and who has more/less oil burn/1000k. Granted the dynos will have to be the same, with similar weather, and same mods or none at all! I truly believe there is something to be said about breaking a car in a bit harder than the manual states-I had almost 25K kilometres at the time and laid down 172 whp on a dyno jet-completely stock (at a place that tunes and builds 500-1000 HP Mustangs), and I haven't burned a drop of oil at all.

Here my post of how I did mine and with the dyno info

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=26

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by Gords_zenith

Lets both do dyno runs at the 60K mark and see who makes more power and who has more/less oil burn/1000k. Granted the dynos will have to be the same, with similar weather, and same mods or none at all! I truly believe there is something to be said about breaking a car in a bit harder than the manual states-I had almost 25K kilometres at the time and laid down 172 whp on a dyno jet-completely stock (at a place that tunes and builds 500-1000 HP Mustangs), and I haven't burned a drop of oil at all.

Here my post of how I did mine and with the dyno info

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=26

Right, because the manufacturer is deliberately going to have you sabotage your own vehicle by breaking it in softly.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by lazyluka

Toyota/Subaru could not void your warranty if you exceeded the RPM guideline. I mean it does say except for emergencies and how can someone say if you were in an emergency or not unless they were right there. Also, I really doubt they would waste their time developing a logging system for break in as it technically only occurs once for the life of the car. For a car that's trying to be as cheap as possible, it just doesn't make sense to waste time and money worrying about break in, and if they did worry so much about break in, does that mean that they knew the car would have engine troubles to begin with?

If they had a moving log file for let's say the last 1000miles travelled, then yeah that could work, but I seriously doubt it would void your warranty and I think if your engine blows up before 2000miles it wouldn't matter too much how you broke your car in (assuming you drove it on the public roads).

The other aspect here is the legal issue, and I am no lawyer, but the only thing it says in the manual is about the EDR recording for around 30 seconds (which it doesn't). Now if they were logging your driving patterns with enough parameters such as (throttle position, revs etc) for an extended period of time, surely they couldn't use this data against you legally. I mean for the EDR it requires the customers permission or a warrant, I would imagine private driving data would be the same.

I am a lawyer and I can tell you the cops up here think they can use this data and our state legislation says they can. I think it is unconstitutional but until someone pays to have our Supreme Court rule on it, its useable. Scary stuff. Americans should be upset about this also. The ABS data recorder was only permitted for research on airbag effectiveness be careful what of let your government approve of.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by mav1178

My break-in period was over in about 12 hours upon receipt of the car.

-alex

That's pretty quick driving, especially at 4,000 rpm or less!

[Suberman]

You won't break your engine not following the breaking in guidelines. You won't even void your warranty as Subaru won't be covering the car by the time the wear shows up.

You probably won't experience the damage you do as likely some poor sap will buy the car used at 60,000 miles and it will begin to burn oil copiously for him.

Of course, if that purchaser has a compression test done properly before he buys your old wreck then he won't buy it.

But, really, what kind of maroon deliberately abuses a new engine? Skilled drivers break in their cars, their tires and their brakes properly as directed by the manufacturers. You can actually feel these components improve as you do so. Only an idiots fails to do so and then may wonder why they crashed or ended up with the only oil burner on their block.

I've broken in over ten new engines and finished breaking in a couple of used engines that were excessively babied. All have run high mileages without developing oil burning habits including, amazingly, three Italian engines. The recommendations for every one of those engines were the same recommendations Subaru gives.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Suberman

That's pretty quick driving, especially at 4,000 rpm or less!

I drove the car home from Colorado, so the drive home covered my break-in period.

What will happen down the road is one of two things:

- I keep the car past extended warranty (100k), mod it and make it into a track car
- I sell it before the extended warranty expires (~3 years), don't worry about it

Either way, the buyer (or myself) will get actual useful info on the engine via compression/leakdown testing, as well as dyno and oil analysis info. All this is backed up by receipts and mileage tracking (Fuelly).

At the end of the day, I'm not worried about this and I know my rights when it comes to warranty.

-alex

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

Right, because the manufacturer is deliberately going to have you sabotage your own vehicle by breaking it in softly.

Well, good luck! That is all I have to say to dumb ass response like that.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Gords_zenith

Well, good luck! That is all I have to say to dumb ass response like that.

"Sarcasm". Do you need one of those Sheldon signs?

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by Suberman

"Sarcasm". Do you need one of those Sheldon signs?

Sarcasm?? Wow, thanks for clearing that up! Peace out.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I drove the car home from Colorado, so the drive home covered my break-in period.

What will happen down the road is one of two things:

- I keep the car past extended warranty (100k), mod it and make it into a track car
- I sell it before the extended warranty expires (~3 years), don't worry about it

Either way, the buyer (or myself) will get actual useful info on the engine via compression/leakdown testing, as well as dyno and oil analysis info. All this is backed up by receipts and mileage tracking (Fuelly).

At the end of the day, I'm not worried about this and I know my rights when it comes to warranty.

-alex

Hopefully you varied the speed, did not exceed 4,000 rpm except for brief periods and did not use full throttle except in an emergency.

Otherwise you have no wear rings in each bore that may break your rings and yes, Subaru can then prove you wrecked your engine and deny warranty.