Evo Review: BRZ + GT86

[Shevon]

Whatever there beef is I hope it doesnt cause them to split thier partnership no time soon. I want this car to be here for decades and be somewhat of a legend like the AE86 did. However if the partnership broke down i hope Toyota has the balls to make new motor and keep it going.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

Dave-ROR: Does it matter who started it? Yes, it has lots of Subaru components but still - Toyota did more than just the design. And yes, they also tested it (unless they lied).

Show me their test mules? Subaru has 4. Eventually this topic will need to be resolved, until then lets be happy its finally built. I hope it doesnt reign like the ae86, that was a corolla that didnt stick around long or have direct performance intentions.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by chulooz

I hope it doesnt reign like the ae86, that was a corolla that didnt stick around long or have direct performance intentions.

Exactly..while the AS1 started out as a shell harboring the soul of the AE86, in order for it to become legendary in todays standards it needs to evolve beyond that. The potential for virtually ANYTHING can come up for the future with this car, but if Toyota and Subaru keep pushing its original philosophy across 3-5 generations or models it might flounder and threaten its place in history.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by keiri

The blurb about TRD creating an "after factory" supercharger kit slightly alleviates the need to wait for the 2nd or 3rd year to get the more powerful car; buy an FR-S/GT86/BRZ now and in a year's time a bolt-on, factory warrantied supercharger kit will be available. It's good to have options like that.

I'm not so sure your Subaru BRZ factory warranty would be honored if you installed a TRD performance part

I hope I'm wrong, or maybe SPT/STi offer a similar kit because I'm leaning BRZ also, but I don't think it will work out like that.

[DMDZK]

People have a lot of misconceptions on how mods affect factory warranties.

If you install and after market intake/Exhaust/lowering springs. It in no way invalidates your factory warranty. Obviously the warranty only covers factory parts, aftermarket parts would be covered under their own manufacturer's warranty.

In order to deny warranty repairs to your vehicle, the dealership would have to show that the aftermarket part was the cause of the factory parts failure (as outlined in the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act).

If they refuse to repair your car without valid reason (many dealers hate doing warranty repairs since they don't make as much money). Simply repair it elsewhere or out of pocket and file a suit in small claims (if under your states limit) and write/email corporate to report the dealer. Most manufactures take these incidents very seriously and will step in on your behalf.

I had an issue once at a Toyota dealer where they were refusing warranty repair on a covered part. instead of paying I told them to stuff it and called corporate, before they pulled my car around a dealer PR agent was sitting next to me promising the world to make me happy.

It is important to understand your rights as a consumer, no need to be mean to dealers. But you often have to know when to stand your ground etc.

[Nambo]

Cheers for sharing the article Boxer-4, another great read!

[Mr.Jay]

good read

I do find it weird tho that Subaru and Toyota are taking turns at this go karting track and putting limits of the test drivers then switching places at a actually track and letting them loose

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Show me their test mules? Subaru has 4. Eventually this topic will need to be resolved, until then lets be happy its finally built. I hope it doesnt reign like the ae86, that was a corolla that didnt stick around long or have direct performance intentions.

There is also the story floating around that Subaru had no faith in Toyota's sports car ability (despite the clear fact that the LFA is beyond anything Subaru could even imagine, let alone design and build) so Toyota hacked up that Impreza mule to show Subaru how it was done. Then Subaru was like "Hey, we can do that!"










(And the sibling rivalry continues... heh.)

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dimman

There is also the story floating around that Subaru had no faith in Toyota's sports car ability (despite the clear fact that the LFA is beyond anything Subaru could even imagine, let alone design and build) so Toyota hacked up that Impreza mule to show Subaru how it was done. Then Subaru was like "Hey, we can do that!"

(And the sibling rivalry continues... heh.)

Wasn't that a Legacy mule?

[coyote]

Originally Posted by Dimman

There is also the story floating around that Subaru had no faith in Toyota's sports car ability

It's not just Subaru. If this car was a Toyota, it would be twice as expensive and half as good. The "wonderful" LFA only supports such an assertion.

Toyota made a smart business decision and became and appliance company. No shame in that, but trying to claim credit for what they obviously didn't do is not cool.

They should have just taken the car from Subaru, said thank you and then let their marketing clout do the work. Just because you're big enough to get away with anything, doesn't mean you should.

[Kunzite]

And if this car was a Subaru, it would have AWD and turbo, it would be named Impreza and would be priced as such. But it isn't - why?

[CLTBRZ]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

And if this car was a Subaru, it would have AWD and turbo, it would be named Impreza and would be priced as such. But it isn't - why?

You're right, because Subaru's engineers are completely incapable of creating a RWD vehicle, NA powered, or coming up with a name other than Impreza (even if the name is terrible) without Toyota's help... /sarcasm.

Subaru is a niche brand that is attempting to expand their lineup of vehicles. Toyota is a mainstream brand that has lost their niche vehicles (many of which are what inspire Toyota loyalists - I don't know anyone who says "OMG I could never own another midsize sedan because my Camry is SO EXCITING").

They worked together, no matter in what capacity or percentage of contribution from each company, and came up with a vehicle that we are all hoping to love as they continue to nurture and develop the platform.

I don't understand all the hate, we should all be :happy0180: that we're SO close to release!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

Dave-ROR: Does it matter who started it? Yes, it has lots of Subaru components but still - Toyota did more than just the design. And yes, they also tested it (unless they lied).

Both brands tested it. Subaru had more mules though.

Both definately had a role in fine tuning it.

Toyota set the production goals and design goals. They also designed the styling of the car. Subaru did the engineering. Toyota helped with parts supplies from vendors Subaru doesn't normally use, but Subaru definately did the lions share of the engineering and mechanical work, there's really not much point in argueing about it.

[poormans_LFA]

can always count on Evo mag for a good read; straight forward, to the point. it will be interesting to see how the collaborative roots of the AS1 will effect it's future in how either car preforms in the market, and ultimately Subaru's prosperity or lack thereof as a brand in the future being that it is currently the sole producer of the AS1 platform.