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Evo Review: BRZ + GT86

awesome article!! thanks for scanning and sharing :)

WTF? This is the exact opposite situation with Top Gear's review. Where Subaru allowed the BRZ to be flogged on a real track and Toyota had the 86 on the go-kart track.

Early 2013 for STI hmmm. To wait or not to wait? I think having the first model is going to be a gem among the future brz's

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Originally Posted by WhiteGDB (Post 108339)

WTF? This is the exact opposite situation with Top Gear's review. Where Subaru allowed the BRZ to be flogged on a real track and Toyota had the 86 on the go-kart track.

Yeah... I found that odd about the TG review considering all of the other reviewers seemed to have had a similar experience to Evo's.

Interesting how they mention there are no plans to increase power output on the potential 2013 STi version.. reduced weight is nice and all but doesn't justify waiting a year for a lot of potential buyers like a turbo would. Makes me feel better about ordering one in May :)

Thank you for the scans; they made a lovely morning read.

I also find it humorous that the evo review from the Subaru "chaperoning" viewpoint is the opposite of the Top Gear one. Both reviews seemly overly positive and that's good.

The blurb about TRD creating an "after factory" supercharger kit slightly alleviates the need to wait for the 2nd or 3rd year to get the more powerful car; buy an FR-S/GT86/BRZ now and in a year's time a bolt-on, factory warrantied supercharger kit will be available. It's good to have options like that.

Good read.
Yep like you guys said no need to wait for a more powerful version. A year down the line both companies will take care of that. BRZ STI would be nice but to be honest I like my carpeting and all tat stuff they would take out to save weight, this will be my DD so dont need all that stuff, adding more power down the line is just fine with me. Trading up in 3 or 4 years is what I will do if needs be lol.

I wonder how much the supercharger would cost? If it's priced no higher than $3500 with gains of 40hp/40tq I am down.

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 108358)

I wonder how much the supercharger would cost? If it's priced no higher than $3500 with gains of 40hp/40tq I am down.

Sounds about right. 260hp is my magic number boosted or NA lol

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Originally Posted by WhiteGDB (Post 108339)

WTF? This is the exact opposite situation with Top Gear's review. Where Subaru allowed the BRZ to be flogged on a real track and Toyota had the 86 on the go-kart track.

I can easily imagine the following discussion taking place in Top Gear's redaction:

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TG1: I'm quite annoyed, you know? Subaru didn't let us play with their car - only few laps on that sorry excuse for a "track"
TG2: Yeah, while Toyota's was so much better, and we could even disable VSC!
TG1: I gave them quite a bashing in the review because of this, care to read? I also believe the Toyota feels better, but it could be because I actually drove it...
(....)
TG2: But... don't we like Subaru and hate Toyota? We don't believe Toyota can make a proper sports car, even if it's the same as Subaru's.
TG1: Yeah...
TG2: It would be annoying to have Toyota "win"!
(...)
TG1: OK, I'll keep the article as it is, just interchange "Toyota" and "Subaru" now and then. I would also exaggerate a little what Masuda-san said to us, making it sounds like Toyota had nothing to do with the actual development.
TG2: Great! Let's do it!

I don't quite trust Subaru insisting on how little work had Toyota done, and conclusions like "they are the same car, but Subaru's so much better". Toyota seems more open minded about this, talking about team work and such. Since the car has components from both I'd rather go with the "team work" story.

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Originally Posted by Kunzite (Post 108364)

I can easily imagine the following discussion taking place in Top Gear's redaction:

I don't quite trust Subaru insisting on how little work had Toyota done, and conclusions like "they are the same car, but Subaru's so much better". Toyota seems more open minded about this, talking about team work and such. Since the car has components from both I'd rather go with the "team work" story.

Blame Toyota for that. Subaru held to the assumed bargain and didn't discuss it.. until Toyota started trying to claim all of the credit. Subaru just reacted.

Granted, they could have handled it a little better, but the proof is in the car proving Subaru to be the correct side of the arguement.

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Originally Posted by Shevon (Post 108362)

Sounds about right. 260hp is my magic number boosted or NA lol

I agree. Im not asking for a muscle car figure. Just something that would make it a blast on regular roads.

Dave-ROR: Does it matter who started it? Yes, it has lots of Subaru components but still - Toyota did more than just the design. And yes, they also tested it (unless they lied).