FBM Tuning fixed my issue, FA20 and Visconti didn't work as well

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

So, I was just in the shop yesterday, and he was working on the P&L car. There are big things coming for all of you boosted auto guys to get excited about, but I don't want to steal their thunder.

JR also took a shot at my car. He has been working on a few cars local to him, but wanted to get one on a dyno. The results were +8hp and +4 tq over a previous pump gas tune I was running NA. My Tq line is flat and the car feels almost like my E85 tune. I can't wait to see what he does with that.

All that being said, It's not complete yet. He's still getting familiar with the Ecutek platform, and that takes time and seat hours tuning. There are also a few minor things to work out, but seeing what he did with the P&L car, I'm confident it will happen. He also is a perfectionist and wants to make my Tq line Ruler flat.

That's good enough for me, he is getting experience with the car. I wasn't taking a shot at him since I have no idea who he is. Was talking about any tuner with ZERO experience in our cars.

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by Tansey86

Are we talking about JR from Tach Motor Works?

Yes

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

That's good enough for me, he is getting experience with the car. I wasn't taking a shot at him since I have no idea who he is. Was talking about any tuner with ZERO experience in our cars.

I know you a little better than to think you were taking a shot at him, or anyone else rather. I just wanted to give a little background.

I was in the same boat as you as far as something important as engine tuning. A bad tune will cost you a lot more than the $250 you pay the tuner.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I welcome anyone to offer a counterpoint on this. Local Subaru guys use Mikey Botti. They fly him down here every couple of months to get 10-12 guys tuned with nothing but stupidly awesome results. I didn't even considered him because of the above reasons.

Botti is at least as good as Visconti: it's not hard to add fuel and BOOOOOOOSSTTT then claim huge gains like Visconti does.

Originally Posted by King Tut

Looks like he can make a big turbo work on an Evo, but that doesn't mean he can tune a 12.5:1 compression port and direct injected FA20 engine. I look forward to your results though. Make sure to get it on the dyno and get some dyno plots and some boost plots.

See above. Most tuners familiar with Subarus are going to be adding more fuel and more boooooossstttt. That's all they know how to do, granted JR is among the most well-known tuners who posts results.

I don't trust a single tuner for this platform at this point in time.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

Etunes will never be better that live tunes.

I always wanted a live tune and thats why i went with John but not a good experience

I was always waiting for JR but he is super busy with P&L shop Car

Live tunes? You can't live map the OE ECU (at least with EcuTek).

There's not much different between someone doing it remotely or being at the dyno, other than the logistics of analysing data and sending new maps back an forth.

[pheoxs]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Botti is at least as good as Visconti: it's not hard to add fuel and BOOOOOOOSSTTT then claim huge gains like Visconti does.



See above. Most tuners familiar with Subarus are going to be adding more fuel and more boooooossstttt. That's all they know how to do, granted JR is among the most well-known tuners who posts results.

I don't trust a single tuner for this platform at this point in time.

At the same boost level my fa20 tune makes more power and pulls way harder than Viscontis

Getting dyno done next Friday to find out some numbers

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I don't trust a single tuner for this platform at this point in time.

Fair enough. I prefer the trust, but verify mentality.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

This is just me and I might be totally wrong in my train of thought, but given the fact this car uses Port/Direct Injection, I would not trust it being tuned by anyone other than people who already have experience with it, or at least with other cars that have the same setup.

Tuning a car is not rocket science, but I feel the dual injection system can be a bit more complex for a person who has never tuned a DI system. Also, I would like to see them tune several N/A cars with results before tuning my FI setup.


I welcome anyone to offer a counterpoint on this. Local Subaru guys use Mikey Botti. They fly him down here every couple of months to get 10-12 guys tuned with nothing but stupidly awesome results. I didn't even considered him because of the above reasons.

I concur...but just to clear things up, Mike Botti tunes at EFI Logics now and has done/been doing FRS/BRZ's. I know this because I reached out to EFI since they were my goto after owning my STi for 8 years. Mike is now tuning for them after Chris unfortunately passed away. He just tuned a Turbo FRS last week.

I don't have first hand experience with him, but i've heard nothing but great things.

I still chose a tuner from this forum based off experience, but he was/is always on my radar, as EFI is one of the few places I trust my car being brought to.

[whitefrs]

JR is not on this forums but he has been working with P&L from Day 1

[mobybrz]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Live tunes? You can't live map the OE ECU (at least with EcuTek).

There's not much different between someone doing it remotely or being at the dyno, other than the logistics of analysing data and sending new maps back an forth.

What does it say about this forum when the Brony makes the most sense...

[ft_sjo]

I must admit, I had to look up the term 'Brony'.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Live tunes? You can't live map the OE ECU (at least with EcuTek).

There's not much different between someone doing it remotely or being at the dyno, other than the logistics of analysing data and sending new maps back an forth.

I would say that's about 90% true. you can get the majority of your power from an e-tune, but the fine tuning comes from the dyno.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I would say that's about 90% true. you can get the majority of your power from an e-tune, but the fine tuning comes from the dyno.

That depends on the tuner, 60+ HP is not fine tuning.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I would say that's about 90% true. you can get the majority of your power from an e-tune, but the fine tuning comes from the dyno.

That wasn't the comparison though.. it was local vs remote, no mention of dynos.