why the wrx is better than your 86

[Anthony]

1. Automatics: Fast
2. Manuals: Fun*

I would never buy an automatic because I'm not trying to go as fast as humanly possible (not that I could afford it anyway) I'm trying to have as much fun as humanly possible. Going fast is fun to me, but speed isn't 100% of my fun equation. So an automatic just isn't for me.

And I agree with several others on here that a "sports car" must be a coupe. But not all coupes are sports cars. An Exige is a sports car. A Mustang is a muscle car. A sports car, to me, is a car that's primarily focused on going fast in all aspects of driving. Comfortable back seats don't assist with that, so even though some sports cars have them (FR-S/BRZ, Evora), not a lot of effort was put into their designs. And if it's a physically large, high displacement, not-so aerodynamic, usually domestic, coupe that makes a great drag car but not much else... well, I call that a muscle car. Just my personal definitions, but I think they generally reflect the universal defitions of the phrases.

*Matter of opinion

[The359]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

So the FRS/BRZ's are not automatics? Also, what most people consider an "automatic" is something that can be put in an "automatic" mode. Most of the transmissions listed can do that

This was always a "fun" debate on M3forums Technically, an SMG isn't an automatic, but it sure as hell can be driven like one

The 86 transmission is an automatic with the ability for the driver to override the computer presets with the paddles/bumpshifter. Hence, it is a "Manumatic". As the transmission does not have a clutch, it is therefore a form of automatic transmission. BMW's SMG has a clutch, and is therefore not a form of automatic transmission. The two are mechanically very different.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by The359

The 86 transmission is an automatic with the ability for the driver to override the computer presets with the paddles/bumpshifter. Hence, it is a "Manumatic". As the transmission does not have a clutch, it is therefore a form of automatic transmission.

So, why are we arguing again? Just for fun? Or are you bored because it's late as night?

can they both be used as an "automatic?" just curious.... All equally as "boring" to the OP. Sounds like, to him, unless you are pressing a clutch pedal, "it's garbage"

[The359]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

So, why are we arguing again? Just for fun? Or are you bored because it's late as night?

can they both be used as an "automatic?" just curious.... All equally as "boring" to the OP. Sounds like, to him, unless you are pressing a clutch pedal, "it's garbage"

A Pagani Huayra transmission is greatly different from an 86 transmission. Calling them both automatics simply because they can be used in two different modes is a misnomer. Even worse is considering an F1 transmission to be an automatic.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by The359

A Pagani Huayra transmission is greatly different from an 86 transmission. Calling them both automatics simply because they can be used in two different modes is a misnomer. Even worse is considering an F1 transmission to be an automatic.

So just to argue then? Get on M3 forums and argue, good sir, and we will be fighting side by side. I, for one, agree with you, and in fact have given the same argument, but that is not relevant for this thread. What the "world" considers (and the OP) an automatic is different, and it will considered to be different as long as M/T are put into cars. Save your breath and troll somewhere else.

[The359]

And most of the world is woefully ignorant of car technology, so who cares what they think? Why use the incorrect terminology if you supposedly know better, even going so far as claiming F1 cars are automatics. That's just as silly as the first post.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by The359

And most of the world is woefully ignorant of car technology, so who cares what they think? Why use the incorrect terminology if you supposedly know better, even going so far as claiming F1 cars are automatics. That's just as silly as the first post.

Lol, you are a persistent one, aren't you? Why do care so much? There are other people on this thread who have said almost the EXACT same thing as I have, as well as on OP that likes to pick a fight and you choose me? There is no reason other than you are bored.

Go preach to "the world", or someone who cares. I personally don't. If I had to go explain to everyone why an SMG wasn't an automatic tranny, or all the complexities that make the F1 transmission far from an automatic, I would literally run out of time in my day. It's simply not worth it. You are picking a fight that really ISN'T worth it. In the end of the day someone will always think it is an "automatic." So sometimes, it is just easier to refer to it as such.

What is "silly" is that you keep on "keeping on" even though I've AGREED with you in your post. What more could you possibly want? In fact, I've argued from your position on M3forums countless times to only be told, "it's still automatic." There will always be ignorant people and people who will use incorrect terminology. It's the same thing I've concluded with the argument on M3 forums...... WHO CARES? Are you really ready to waste your life correcting terminology? lol. What a joke! Go do something productive!

Is an SMG an automatic to people who don't own one and don't know it is? Even though it is the EXACT same transmission as the manual M3, but computer controlled...I mean EXACT! It can physically be changed into a manual transmission very easily. Ask the M3 community, and it's an "automatic." Now do I waste my time at 2:19 am to argue?

You are arguing over NOTHING. lol. I've said all I've had to say, agreed with what you have said and you still troll. No more responses from me, good sir. Troll somewhere else...I will no longer feed you.

[The359]

Sure have a lot to say for not caring. It does take two to have an argument, last I checked.

It's a topic about transmissions. I can't say I know anyone who would consider an SMG an automatic, let alone an F1 transmission, unless they were completely ignorant. If you don't want someone correcting you over the topic at hand, maybe stay away? You seem grossly confused if you're taking a correction and statement of facts to clear up misconceptions as "trolling".

[5th 86]

Another reason to buy the manual...
Dont need to argue what kinda "automatic" you have

[whaap]

Originally Posted by m.wood0213

because the only thing available for me was an auto. I like the auto but I would've bought the manual if I could.

I hardly think that is the fault of the manufacturer. Perhaps you were at fault for not broadening your search for a manual or waiting for the dealership to get the car you wanted. I wanted a certain color with a manual and waited for it. If I get a 2014 it will probably (not sure yet) be an automatic and if that's what I want I will search or wait till I get what I want.

[whaap]

Originally Posted by The359

IndyCar and F1 are manuals, they're just "semi-automatic". IndyCar even has a clutch on the steering wheel for the driver to manually control when leaving pit stops.

Sorry, I think in simpler terms. If a car doesn't have a clutch pedal and a gear shift knob and can be shifted by the flick of a finger I consider it an automatic. My mistake.

[infinite012]

I totally forgot to include this in my previous post:

The WRX only comes in manual (as far as you know), but did you know that the STI comes in automatic?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by infinite012

but did you know that the STI comes in automatic?

Mind. Blown.

[WingsofWar]