Do we really want a Turbo BRZ? I'm going to say no.

[SUB-FT86]

It is the fastest new car per dollar but I can't stand its looks.

[Levi]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i dont think the wrx has ever been the fastest car per dollar. let alone always

Can you tell me what car is it then?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Levi

Can you tell me what car is it then?

srt4, cobalt ss, ms3 and v6 mustang

[SUB-FT86]

A wrx will do 0-60 in 4.7 seconds and get to 1/4 mile at 13.5 seconds. It's been confirmed. The other cars above is a little slower.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

[jonnyozero3]

Originally Posted by Levi

Can you tell me what car is it then?

Here's a good place for comparisons. The 2012 results should be out soon.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2011-page-8

[Levi]

Well in EU is the Subaru. Any other german costs more and the italian are too exotic and thus unaffordable for most and and all the others (Lotus,...) are just too hard-core. The amercian ones are not sportscars, but muscle cars, not the same think, and the american cars cost very quite much here in EU.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by lfawishes

haha, the h6 weight is super heavy, go do some research. Even perrins h6 sti they swapped had shite weight balance.

Lets see, 75-100 extra lbs, 245hp 6, or 350+hp 2.0 liter with the right exhaust/tuning.

First of all, the FA20 is HEAVIER than an EJ motor.

Second, the H6 is only 50lbs heavier than an EJ.

Thirdly, a Turbo along with all the associated bits and pieces adds about 50lbs.

Lastly, with the BRZ/FRS, the Turbo is going to have to go IN FRONT of the motor meaning all that weight is going to upset the balance with a turbo motor too, so either way its going to change the balance of the car.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Levi

Well in EU is the Subaru. Any other german costs more and the italian are too exotic and thus unaffordable for most and and all the others (Lotus,...) are just too hard-core. The amercian ones are not sportscars, but muscle cars, not the same think, and the american cars cost very quite much here in EU.

i cant speak about costs but every single car i mentioned except for maybe the mustang is more of a sports car than the wrx. all those companies have much more experience building sports cars as well

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

First of all, the FA20 is HEAVIER than an EJ motor.

Second, the H6 is only 50lbs heavier than an EJ.

Thirdly, a Turbo along with all the associated bits and pieces adds about 50lbs.

Lastly, with the BRZ/FRS, the Turbo is going to have to go IN FRONT of the motor meaning all that weight is going to upset the balance with a turbo motor too, so either way its going to change the balance of the car.

lets not forget that those extra two cylinders will be going IN FRONT as well. and forced induction absolutely does not have to weigh that much

[NastyNate]

Yeah all the turbo bits on my miata really screwed the handling. Similars cars in weight and size.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

Yeah all the turbo bits on my miata really screwed the handling. Similars cars in weight and size.

no it didnt.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by fatoni

no it didnt.

Exactly.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

Exactly.

there should be a font to indicate sarcasm. especially with the wild things people say on forums

[NastyNate]

I concur. Although I could have given some indication of the ensuing sarcasm.

Even when I added a 70lb roll bar I couldn't tell a difference in handling. The biggest difference I will see is when I ditch the stock 17" boat anchors and go to a 15". I can do more there than worrying how much my fmic weighs and what fractions of a second it's slowing me down. Stock 17x7's weigh 18-19lbs each, while the 15x9's I want weigh about 13.5. 4.5 lbs of unsprung weight off each corner is gonna be nuts.