Hill Start Assist?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by psionix

Thanks! Having read all 600 pages of manual for different model year and market models, plus manuals of other Subaru models, strange they are not consistent with this feature and it's representation on the dash.

Well if you had just read the manual for year and market that you have then it would have been clear. Doesn't matter what the other manuals or markets say. Really really doesn't matter what other models manuals show.

[mrg666]

Yeah tell me about the merits of heal and toe and whine about hill assist after that. I will listen.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Yeah tell me about the merits of heal and toe and whine about hill assist after that. I will listen.

What does heel toe have to do with hill assist?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

What does heel toe have to do with hill assist?

Bet you a beer there is at least one person on here that will tell you that is the best way to start out on a hill!

Screw hill assist it just causes weaklings. We should also get rid of synchros, hydraulic assisted clutches, gear gates, over rev protection, short throw shifters and every other aspect of a modern MT so we can all be manly men and boast of our mad MT skills.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bet you a beer there is at least one person on here that will tell you that is the best way to start out on a hill!

Screw hill assist it just causes weaklings. We should also get rid of synchros, hydraulic assisted clutches, gear gates, over rev protection, short throw shifters and every other aspect of a modern MT so we can all be manly men and boast of our mad MT skills.

REALLY!

Separate the men from the boys!

It's amazing we were EVER able to get over hills back-in-the-day .......


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

REALLY!

Separate the men from the boys!

It's amazing we were EVER able to get over hills back-in-the-day .......


humfrz

Anybody that drives MT certainly needs to know how to start on an incline. It is a base requirement.

But...

If I had to turn into this driveway everyday I may not need hill assist but you could bloody well believe I would want it if it was available.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Anybody that drives MT certainly needs to know how to start on an incline. It is a base requirement.

But...

If I had to turn into this driveway everyday I may not need hill assist but you could bloody well believe I would want it if it was available.

Not ashamed to admit I use the hill assist.

To be honest though, when I was learning stick in this car, even with the hill assist enabled I had to use the e-brake on decent hills because the assist wasn't active long enough for me (I was still slow at the time at getting going from a stop).

But now I still use it and I don't mind. I know how to use the e-brake if I ever drive a manual without hill assist.

What is it people say these days? Oh yeah, screw the haters!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by spike021

Not ashamed to admit I use the hill assist.

To be honest though, when I was learning stick in this car, even with the hill assist enabled I had to use the e-brake on decent hills because the assist wasn't active long enough for me (I was still slow at the time at getting going from a stop).

But now I still use it and I don't mind. I know how to use the e-brake if I ever drive a manual without hill assist.

What is it people say these days? Oh yeah, screw the haters!!

You should still learn to do it without the handbrake. It is an important part of of the MT driving skill set. Most of the MTs I have drove had no hand brake (honestly most had no e/parking brakes at all since they were either seized up or broke) since they were either a floor pedal or a hand pull down by your left knee. Too use them on a hill was impossible. You may never drive something like that but if you get a chance you will be stuck if you need to start on a hill.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You should still learn to do it without the handbrake. It is an important part of of the MT driving skill set. Most of the MTs I have drove had no hand brake (honestly most had no e/parking brakes at all since they were either seized up or broke) since they were either a floor pedal or a hand pull down by your left knee. Too use them on a hill was impossible. You may never drive something like that but if you get a chance you will be stuck if you need to start on a hill.

So true. Many of the older cars had the e-brake as a foot pedal, so no good on hills for starting up with MT cars. And hill assist wasn't around ....... so, how did we do it ..... ??

Now days, it seems like every night on the news, it's reported that someone gets the gas and brake pedals mixed up and crashes their vehicle into a store, from a flat, open parking lot ......


humfrz

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by TrackRider54

So now there is a modern technology that saves your clutch and makes it easier on the driver, and somehow folks feel like that's a bad thing.

That technology has been around since 1939. It's called an automatic transmission.

I can't really argue against hill assist, but it's sad to see the skill set erode even further. With this, flashing lights to tell you when to shift and a display to tell you what gear you're in, one begins to wonder why bother with a manual transmission at all.

BTW, how does the hill assist activate in the new model? Do you have to leave it on for it to be ready when you need it, or is it easy to just hit a button to turn it on if you come to a hill that presents more of a challenge, then turn it off after you leave that hill?

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

What does heel toe have to do with hill assist?

Reserve my beer, tcoat. Heel and toe is the way to start on a hill. We lived on a hill when I was a kid just like the picture above. My dad had showed me how to do heel and toe as the best way to start (and also parallel park) on that hill.

[VoltsFRS2013]

My car is a 13' and came with hill start, I think they referred to it as "automatic" when I was at the dealership. teehee

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Reserve my beer, tcoat. Heel and toe is the way to start on a hill. We lived on a hill when I was a kid just like the picture above. My dad had showed me how to do heel and toe as the best way to start (and also parallel park) on that hill.

Your original post said to balance it with the clutch, otherwise you don't know how to drive manual.
Now you're saying using the brake is the way to go.

So which is it?

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

Your original post said to balance it with the clutch, otherwise you don't know how to drive manual.
Now you're saying using the brake is the way to go.

So which is it?

You can do both ways. When the hill is too steep heel and toe is better but it is harder to do. Best of luck to you learning how to drive manual