Report: Supercharged Toyota 86 being developed by TRD!!

[Soravia]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

If they use a rotrex style centrifugal supercharger, intercooling wouldn't be an issue.

I've seen Mustangs with Rotrex (Centrifugal) and very short pipe that has a mid-section with water-to-air heat exchanger. Very similar to Petite Racing supercharger for RX-8 that bumped 190 whp to 280+ whp. That was one crazy power adder.
But that one was twin-screw (I think).

[phenoyz]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

A small dose of power shouldn't take away from the cars purposefulness. But its easy to get carried away and turn the car into something else. Which is both a shame but cool at the same time.

Anyone should have the freedom to want more power in their car...regardless if it was a miata, 240sx, or even FRS/BRZ. And you should if those are your goals.

But at the same time, it is a shame because you really start to miss out on the beauty of high performance low output. The little things that made the AE86 bonifide sports car start to blur when you start wanting MORE. Granted many AE86 tuners wanted more power, 20v blacktop is still a popular engine swap.

So I say, 200hp N/A is really more than enough for the purpose of this car. I believe that 250hp supercharged may be pushing the dynamics of the car in its entirety. I would really be cautios in how much power a tuner puts in. Especially if he/she really wants to understand why Toyota built this car and the soul/spirit that is attached to it.

good to see another that understand what they are saying

On another note:
Then this car would be very good for auto-cross and DD?
but if u want to use on track or straight line, then ADD more power or better yet buy something else????

[MightyAl]

It looks like TRD is using the laminova coils to intercool. GM was the first to use these in production on the supercharged cobalt SS and then on the Cadillac CTS-V. They are extremely efficient and able to be very tightly packaged. I was looking at building a W2A IC for turbocharged cars using these as they can handle 150hp per tube.

You say you don't get cool things in AU but the guy that has been doing the bulk of manufacturing ICs using laminova tubes is in AU and has been building intake manifolds with integrated ICs for Toyota diesel trucks.

http://www.advancedhbintercoolers.com/

These guys make some pretty cool stuff down under.

The laminova cores would be awesome with an SC and make a great small package. I hope this is what TRD comes out with.

[armythug]

Help me to understand this. I hear people saying how more power like FI would upset the balance of the car or ruin the driving experience.........So if this car was built with drifting in mind, doesn't that mean that people (that had drifting in mind) were going to go FI in the first place??

Bring on the SC!!!!

[Torquesteered]

Did this whole thread build from the autocar article only?? Or was there some other info, like you know from a credible source? Autocar is kinda known for just making shit up from what I have seen.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Torquesteered

Did this whole thread build from the autocar article only?? Or was there some other info, like you know from a credible source? Autocar is kinda known for just making shit up from what I have seen.

well the autocar article said they spoke with Tada. if they made that part up, then we're all fools. but if they indeed spoke to him, and he indeed said what autocar says that he said, then we are all in for a treat!

PLUS even before this car was unveiled, people like me have always suspected that if they were to ever go FI, it'd be a supercharger. besides the fact that TRD already offers SC kits, it just fits the philosophy of the car. now we have this article from autocar that says exactly that. that Tada dislikes turbos because they dont have the same responsiveness as a mechanically driven SC. so this either confirms our suspicions or some dude at autocar reads what we say and decided to make shit up based on that....

either way, if TRD doesnt come up with a kit, i will bring a wad of cash and commission one from magnusson or whatever

[CXTKRS1]

Who is supplying the supercharger? If it is Vortech we might have a repeat of the mess we had with the tC1.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

If they use a rotrex style centrifugal supercharger, intercooling wouldn't be an issue.

Why do you say that? Compressed air is still hotter.

We could say the same for a roots blower, and indeed, many older roots blower kits came without an IC.

Toyota will most likely do a small roots blower with top mount IC -- that's what they've typically done, no?

There will be room to grow too, methinks. Smaller pulley, better IC... ooh I is excited


Seriously, this news had me about leaping up and clicking my heels -- this is exactly what I was hoping for!

Unless the next gen Z is staggeringly more phenomenal by comparison, my next car will almost definite'y be a SC'd FR-S.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Why do you say that? Compressed air is still hotter.

We could say the same for a roots blower, and indeed, many older roots blower kits came without an IC.

Toyota will most likely do a small roots blower with top mount IC -- that's what they've typically done, no?

There will be room to grow too, methinks. Smaller pulley, better IC... ooh I is excited


Seriously, this news had me about leaping up and clicking my heels -- this is exactly what I was hoping for!

Unless the next gen Z is staggeringly more phenomenal by comparison, my next car will almost definite'y be a SC'd FR-S.

Because you can front mount the cooler like a turbo setup.

[Alfie]

I just learned today that im a "PURIST"~

[Sully]

Originally Posted by subatoy

I would LOVE to hear how toyota is planning on safely boosting a
12.5:1 ratio.
unless they are planning on adjusting the ratio by changing pistons and heads I don't think this will happen. it would make the SC a very expensive kit.

People use force induction on high compression motors with street gas all the time.

They just don't run high boost setups. High compression doesn't mean forced induction is impossible, it just means you have a lower margin for error.

Which means that a potential OEM setup is especially exciting-since they can tune a bit more reliably than most tuners.

[LeeT]

I can see a Rotrex unit being a perfect candidate for this car.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Driftster

Lol Who told you this load of crap...

Probably he means, it includes factory warranty.
Well, TRD is just a rebranded aftermarket with higher price.

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by madfast

well the autocar article said they spoke with Tada. if they made that part up, then we're all fools.

I'm thinking that is the case, remember there has been a chorus from Subaru and Toyota, including Toyoda-sensei saying "no" to factory forced induction.