Report: BRZ STI Model Already in the Works, No Turbocharger

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by sho220

That "article" is packed with a lot of if's, could's and would's...

The chief engineers from both Subaru and Toyota sides have long ago asserted they will never turbocharge or supercharge the twins. And, as we saw just now, it keeps getting officially reaffirmed. In contrast, Tada-san did officially announce a convertible version will be released. Official. Announcement. The pattern shows they seem to be good on their word. It made it to the ft86club home page main feature article months ago. At this point, it's not a question of "if" but of "when."

[sho220]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

The chief engineers from both Subaru and Toyota sides have long ago asserted they will never turbocharge or supercharge the twins. And, as we saw just now, it keeps getting officially reaffirmed. In contrast, Tada-san did officially announce a convertible version will be released. Official. Announcement. The pattern shows they seem to be good on their word. It made it to the ft86club home page main feature article months ago. At this point, it's not a question of "if" but of "when."

It's not the convertible part, it's the other...guesses...

"If Subaru puts the new supercharged version of the 2.0-liter FA-series four-cylinder engine that is now used in the updated Japanese-market Legacy sedan and Outback wagon, this could get even more interesting."

"If retooling isn’t cost prohibitive, we could see a 300 horsepower BRZ coupe and convertible in the near future."

"Subaru could also bring out the new 2014 BRZ convertible as a two-seat roadster."

The whole thing reads more like a forum post than a news "article"...

[coyote]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Forester and Legacy have had STI parts for several model generations but never was there a special Forester STI or Legacy STI from the factory.

You were right about tasty Forester and Legacy STis never being imported into the USA, but you were very wrong about them never existing.

Whilst not being as focused at the WRX STi, both Forester and Legacy STis exist. The best of which is probably the twin-scroll 2.5 Legacy S402.

It will be built. It will be overpriced. It will be very limited. It won't be as fast as many cars on this forum.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by sho220

If Subaru puts the new supercharged version of the 2.0-liter FA-series four-cylinder engine that is now used in the updated Japanese-market Legacy sedan and Outback wagon, this could get even more interesting.

Subaru don't put supercharged engines in anything.

[sho220]

Originally Posted by coyote

Subaru don't put supercharged engines in anything.

It's "doesn't"....and yeah, I know...I was quoting the terrible article mentioned above ^^^

[kiks]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

I believe "STI" as part of a model name is exclusively reserved for the WRX STI (which will breakaway from the Impreza moniker into its own separate model around 2014-ish). It only makes marketing sense. The WRX STI is an all-Subaru gig which Toyota has no direct stake in. Forester and Legacy have had STI parts for several model generations but never was there a special Forester STI or Legacy STI from the factory. I foresee similar treatment with the BRZ. For BRZ STI to happen, the BRZ would have to become Subaru's next cash cow ala Impreza.

Are you on drugs? So what about the Legacy STI's since 1990 in every year or two, forester STI's are a dime a dozen.

STI is not for impreza, and the same as the WRX STI has existed since 95 and versions 1 through 9 have been made, so has the legacy except for skipping gen 2. They are all subaru factory STI, not dealership crap.

STI legacies come with 6 pot brembos, all the other good shit and are genuine stupid cars. The best was a twin turbo STI EZ30 gen 4 legacy which never made production...probably because it made 500hp and shat on the sti impreza of the day.

STi was also known for its exceptional quality in producing cars designed for rally racing. Subaru pulled out of the WRC in 2008.
1990 LEGACY GT Touring Wagon - STI Version - Limited to 200 units.
1990 LEGACY RS Type RA - STI Version - Limited to approximately 300 units.[2]
1994 IMPREZA WRX STi
1998 IMPREZA 22B STI version - Limited to 400 units.
2000 IMPREZA S201 STI version - Limited to 300 units.
2001 FORESTER STI II Type M - Limited to 800 units.
2002 LEGACY S401 STI version - Limited to 400 units.
2002 IMPREZA S202 STI version - Limited to 400 units.
2004 IMPREZA S203 - Limited to 555 units.
2005 LEGACY tuned by STI - Limited to 600 units.
2005 IMPREZA S204 - Limited to 600 units.
2006 LEGACY tuned by STI - Limited to 600 units.
2006 IMPREZA WRX STI spec C Type RA-R - Limited to 300 units.
2007 LEGACY tuned by STI - Limited to 600 units.
2008 LEGACY S402 - Limited to 402 units.
2008 IMPREZA WRX STI "STI 20th ANNIVERSARY" - Limited to 300 units.
2009 EXIGA 2.0GT tuned by STI - Limited to 300 units.
2010 FORESTER tS - Limited to 300 units.
2010 IMPREZA WRX STI tS - Limited to 400 units.
2010 IMPREZA R205 - Limited to 400 units.
2010 LEGACY tS - Limited to 600 units.
2011 IMPREZA S206 & S206 NBR Challenge Package - Limited to 300 units

Source

Just because you seppo's dont see them doesnt mean they dont exist, you're simply brainwashed and mislead by localised marketing.

Also, have a look through here for just a rough idea of the cool shit noone but japan sees.

Awesome STI vehicles that never made it out of japan for the most part

When talking about STI history.

It was founded in 1988 by Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent company of Subaru, to promote the company's performance-oriented identity.

First impreza (1994) was made from the spare parts bin of the gen 1 legacy (1988+) and was literally a bucket of bolts until 2002

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by kiks

Are you on drugs? So what about the Legacy STI's since 1990 in every year or two, forester STI's are a dime a dozen.

STI is not for impreza, and the same as the WRX STI has existed since 95 and versions 1 through 9 have been made, so has the legacy except for skipping gen 2. They are all subaru factory STI, not dealership crap.

STI legacies come with 6 pot brembos, all the other good shit and are genuine stupid cars. The best was a twin turbo STI EZ30 gen 4 legacy which never made production...probably because it made 500hp and shat on the sti impreza of the day.




Source

Just because you seppo's dont see them doesnt mean they dont exist, you're simply brainwashed and mislead by localised marketing.

Also, have a look through here for just a rough idea of the cool shit noone but japan sees.

Awesome STI vehicles that never made it out of japan for the most part

When talking about STI history.
First impreza was made from the spare parts bin of the gen 1 legacy and was literally a bucket of bolts until 2002

I'm not on drugs, just American. Sorry for being geo-politically incorrect. As far as I'm concerned, I speak for seppos and non-seppo stuff regarding this news doesn't concern me (whatever seppo means). Don't flame me for it.

P.S. I did disclaim "not in the US, at least" and also stated I was speaking from a "marketing sense" (as in localized) which invalidates your accusation on me.

[sho220]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

As far as I'm concerned, I speak for seppos and non-seppo stuff regarding this news doesn't concern me (whatever seppo means). Don't flame me for it.

He's a douchey Australian and apparently he's calling you a septic tank, which rhymes with Yank, which is slang for American...

Disclaimer: Not all Australians are douches...just this one...

[kiks]

So you run in proclaiming utter bullshit, get called out on it with sources and fairly clear evidence, then try and argue on a technicality hiding behind a flag?

Dude please. Talk less shit next time.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by kiks

So you run in proclaiming utter bullshit, get called out on it with sources and fairly clear evidence, then try and argue on a technicality hiding behind a flag?

Dude please. Talk less shit next time.

What I said still holds true for the audience I was addressing and the audience concerned... YOU brought out a technicality. Thanks for pointing out the interesting facts but how many of those cars you listed were primarily funded by Toyota like with the BRZ? And is your added/continual flame really necessary or just "utter bullshit"? I didn't intend for my post to piss you off but seems like it did.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by MSTiFK8R

Okay, I'm ready to share something what Mr. Karamatsu said today reg. my direct question of BRZ STI

"STI is working on finalizing creation of the special version of BRZ, which would be unveiled in "some time" (secret). Turbocharger is NOT in the concept of this greatly balanced FR sports car, so we would concentrate our developments on suspension, handling, performance improvements and sports styling. The turbocharged version of BRZ will remain only in GT300 Championship"

I want to know more about these "performance improvements" that are not turbo related...

supercharger, larger bore (2.5l), higher redline, freer flowing exhaust, headers, intake, etc?

[nquillen]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

supercharger, larger bore (2.5l), higher redline, freer flowing exhaust, headers, intake, etc?

I have been wondering if they would go up to a 2.5L. That would be perfect, more torque and help them hit the power goal.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by nquillen

I have been wondering if they would go up to a 2.5L. That would be perfect, more torque and help them hit the power goal.

I doubt it; I think they'd probably keep it 2.0L so the engine remains square and can rev high enough to reach their goals. Bumping it to 2.5 makes it over-square and will increase torque but make it harder to rev higher.

[switchlanez]

Also both companies invested heavily into the FA20 development. I'm not sure STI alone has the resources/clout in the Toyota/Subaru partnership to implement an engine model change. Though Subaru chief engineer Masuda did mention stronger valve springs (or something) would allow it to rev higher in an interview with Top Gear.