valve spring issue?

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Yeah good thought. Updated!

I'm going to leave the template blank and include my own entry separate

I deal with tracking work orders/failures/warranty all day. So this topic is my 8-5.
(not on Subarus)

[FRS13_]

Just dropped off the FRS at Toyota for the recall, will update when it's done.

They gave me a TUNDRA! Haha it's kinda big.

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[Rican_D]

Dropped mine off yesterday. They gave me a Camry for a rental. Let's see how long they take..

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[Teseo]

Why they dont give us a short block instead? It will cost less on long term rather than screwing up perfectly running engine

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Why they dont give us a short block instead? It will cost less on long term rather than screwing up perfectly running engine

Would need to be a full engine. Problem is in the heads. They should be shipping crate engines to the dealers and rebuilding the cores.

I'm pretty sure that's how Honda dealt with their failed first attempt at a five-speed automatic.

[Rican_D]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Would need to be a full engine. Problem is in the heads. They should be shipping crate engines to the dealers and rebuilding the cores.

I'm pretty sure that's how Honda dealt with their failed first attempt at a five-speed automatic.

This actually would be a better more reliable solution. Quicker turn around time and tech wouldn't have to worry about screwing up the spring install.

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Rican_D

This actually would be a better more reliable solution. Quicker turn around time and tech wouldn't have to worry about screwing up the spring install.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish. Epic fail.

[Magoo]

I still haven't heard back from the Dealership, nor Toyota Corporate since yesterday. In that time, I think I was able to sleep ~5hrs due to stress.

I just wish that I didn't have to drive this fucking Sienna rental every day. Such a mom-car.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Magoo

I still haven't heard back from the Dealership, nor Toyota Corporate since yesterday. In that time, I think I was able to sleep ~5hrs due to stress.

I just wish that I didn't have to drive this fucking Sienna rental every day. Such a mom-car.

I'm really sorry. Even though I'm passing on it, I can't help but cringe at how it has been panning out exactly as I had feared. I wish I was wrong.

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by Magoo

I still haven't heard back from the Dealership, nor Toyota Corporate since yesterday. In that time, I think I was able to sleep ~5hrs due to stress.

I just wish that I didn't have to drive this fucking Sienna rental every day. Such a mom-car.

Women will think you are a family man and that is porn to some

[ORrooster]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Would need to be a full engine. Problem is in the heads. They should be shipping crate engines to the dealers and rebuilding the cores.

No way - not cost effective. Manufacturer's don't stay in business doing 'shotgun' repairs and replacing massive, expensive components without cause. Even if they had predicted that they would have issues like they seem to be having now post-repair, it would have just been more in-depth training etc. Particularly with such a small failure rate pre-repair and the extremely low chance that an unavoidable accident and resulting litigation would follow. And, these motors should not be wiping out bottom ends or spinning any bearings after only valve spring replacement. I am very interested to see what Toyota and Subaru end up determining is the cause of these failures. From where they stand now, it should be on the dealer as far as I can see and I'm sure that is Corporate's take on it too. They're in the clear so deal with the dealer. Built heads would be a more reasonable option but again... engines should not be failing.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm pretty sure that's how Honda dealt with their failed first attempt at a five-speed automatic.

Automatic transmissions are totally different. A 'clean space' is required for rebuilding. Special tools, seal sizers & installers, etc.would have to be prepared and shipped to every dealer. Selectable shims and/or snap rings for clutch packs and final drives would all have to be kept in stock to be efficient. Training. The design of the training course. A facility to train in (exist) but any dealer not within short range would be sending techs to school (already do).

If you think people are having problems with getting this FA20 together correctly the first time... train an entire workforce on automatics that has never done anything but external repairs to them start rebuilding them in facilities not equipped to do so.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ORrooster

No way - not cost effective. Manufacturer's don't stay in business doing 'shotgun' repairs and replacing massive, expensive components without cause. Even if they had predicted that they would have issues like they seem to be having now post-repair, it would have just been more in-depth training etc. Particularly with such a small failure rate pre-repair and the extremely low chance that an unavoidable accident and resulting litigation would follow. And, these motors should not be wiping out bottom ends or spinning any bearings after only valve spring replacement. I am very interested to see what Toyota and Subaru end up determining is the cause of these failures. From where they stand now, it should be on the dealer as far as I can see and I'm sure that is Corporate's take on it too. They're in the clear so deal with the dealer. Built heads would be a more reasonable option but again... engines should not be failing.

I think you have taken Ultra's comment out of context. He was responding to someone else saying why not use a short block for the recall.

Originally Posted by Teseo View Post
Why they dont give us a short block instead? It will cost less on long term rather than screwing up perfectly running engine


Would need to be a full engine. Problem is in the heads. They should be shipping crate engines to the dealers and rebuilding the cores.

I have a spare motor that came out of an FRS. It was gone through by a tech at a Toyota dealership that pulled it from a wreaked car, plasti-gauged the rod bearings, did a comp and leak down, and then reassembled. The amount of sealant used on the timing cover and oil pan is excessive and I will be pulling it back apart. If that is representative of what is happening during the recall work then I could understand how there might be many assembly issues. I should post pictures of it.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I think you have taken Ultra's comment out of context. He was responding to someone else saying why not use a short block for the recall.







I have a spare motor that came out of an FRS. It was gone through by a tech at a Toyota dealership that pulled it from a wreaked car, plasti-gauged the rod bearings, did a comp and leak down, and then reassembled. The amount of sealant used on the timing cover and oil pan is excessive and I will be pulling it back apart. If that is representative of what is happening during the recall work then I could understand how there might be many assembly issues. I should post pictures of it.

Please do post pictures. I’m kind of curious to see the kind of slop job they are doing on the packing.

Just sitting here thinking. There is one oil gallery near the edge of the timing cover that could get blocked. Its far enough away from the edge that you would need to get fairly carried away with the packing to reach this gallery but if you miss placed the cover and then slid it into place it very easily could cover that gallery. The recall instructions instruct you to use a new SST which are 4 long guide posts that are just threaded studs that go in all 4 corners that are used to prevent you from miss aligning the cover. The original repair manual doesn’t include this SST. Seems Subaru predicted this as a trouble point and developed a tool. Perhaps the dealers aren’t buying this tool or maybe aren’t using it.

That cover is large so it’s hard to watch both ends for alignment while placing it. When I did mine I had someone help me. I explained how critical it was to get it 100% aligned without shifting after contact before we started to place it. You really don’t want to place it and then shift it even 1mm into place. Shifting it means smearing the packing out of place.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Magoo

I still haven't heard back from the Dealership, nor Toyota Corporate since yesterday. In that time, I think I was able to sleep ~5hrs due to stress.

I just wish that I didn't have to drive this fucking Sienna rental every day. Such a mom-car.

Lol, minivans are awesome! Embrace it. Maybe you could pick up some side jobs carting kids around

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