FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by sbxjap

All this hating gets annoying.

Everyone has a preference. If I had the money, I'd get a fairlady z, rx7, nsx, gtr, supra... All the classy Japanese imports. For Euro, I kinda like the M coupe. Domestics... I like the SUVs and classy cars like '50s Hudson Hornet coupes....

It's same kinda shit with JDM vs showy "ricey" cars. Japanese market seem to love the flashy look, but over here we try to mimic their oem look.

Nice and your right...i love them all, but you have to compare when it comes to something your gonna spend your money on, so the pros and cons are very relivent.

[YukiHachiRoku]

One million facepalms.....

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Well you saying the Z was not a true sports car....well that was rediculous....especially considering its the bloodline that started asian sports cars.So think about it dont you think that was pretty rediculous? If you dont i have nothing else to add to your comments...

i never said the 370z wasnt a true sports car. please dont put words in my mouth. the 370z is not the 240z. ive already showed you that even by the standards of the person responsible for the creation of the z, the miata is more a sports car. i dont know why you keep commenting on heritage. it has nothing to do with the current cars being sporty or not and even if it did, we could just as easily say that the 2000gt or sports800 lineage was passed to the frs

[Symbiont]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

oh snap!

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1808015


Did you post that there?

I laughed so hard when I saw that.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by ChrisOkc8

You know you would have been all over this car had it came out a little sooner. lol I think the constant rumors of Toyota shutting down the program or pushing back the release date is what led you to the z. I remember reading your posts on Newcelica and you were like a little school girl like the rest of us.

All true.

And I would have boosted the fuck out of it once I saw how little grunt it had (and probably blown a motor, and then go through all the joy/horrors I experienced the last time around...).

Don't get me wrong -- if the 370Z was as much as a pig as the 350Z (which I am not a fan of -- part of the reason I did all the stuff I did to my old Celica was that I din't want a 350Z -- the 370Z is a MUCH better car all the way around) or if the FR-S came with a more powerful motor, the FR-S would be the preferred choice (I'm still on here for a reason -- it's a very cool car!)

However, based on what is available and affordable to me, at this point in time 370Z > FR-S/BRZ.

But the whole "jealousy" issue is silly... anyone who has a Z (or any other car of equal or greater value) and would rather have a FR-S/BRZ can probably just go and get one... that was my point.

Originally Posted by Gen

Wut?

The FR-S isn't an expensive car. It's not an exotic. It's got a crappy interior. It's also a lot of fun. I've owned far more expensive vehicles than this--I have no delusions otherwise. However, 370Zs are also slow(factory), cheap, mass produced 'sporty' cars which I think are fairly cool for what they are.

The 370Z can run rings around the FR-S -- that's not fanboyism, it's just the facts. The FR-S may excel in handling and braking (even by comparison), but it simply isn't going to outperform the 370Z on any track ever, stock vs. stock. it simply doesn't have the grunt.

Off the track, it simply won't move through traffic with the same urgency as a car with more torque per ton -- that's just the way it is.

If you don't care about that, fine, but I do so...

The FR-S is an amazing car -- but it's chief competitor in overall performance is the MX5, NOT the 370Z.

Anyway, I thought you were claiming 370Z owners thought of their cars as exotic superars or something (and if they do, they are pretty silly for so doing...), but the 370Z is certainly not anymore a "cheap" car than the FR-S... that's even sillier.

Maybe I misunderstood you. If so, sorry...

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

What's the point? There is always someone with a faster car. "Needing" more power is clearly compensation for the lack of power in other areas of your life.

No. It's "compensation" for lack of a more powerful car. Is the agility of the FR-S meant to compensate for one's terrible clumsiness and awkwardness? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by KnwsAThngOr2AbutAThngOr2

And food is only a necessity of survival, so appreciate the bountiful protein from insects and the nutrients in gruel.

Clothing is only for covering the goods, so a burlap sack should suffice.

Sex is merely for procreation, so don't waste time seeking out anything over a 7, just start smashing the first female you see and continue from there.

No one know's what the meaning of life is, so why waste your time. (?)

I was going to say "Cars are only for "A to B" transportation, so just get a Corolla", when I noticed that's what you drive. So, the above statements must hit close to home.

No offense intended. :happy0180:

Man do you really think I give a damn? Lol I have fun with my car, and im well aware in where it stands with these forum member standards. I couldnt care less, the car isnt made to be fun.... but I make it fun, im just as much as an auto enthusiast as you others. Granted I may not KNOW as much as some of you guys or have the driving experience, but I love cars and I think thats something we can all appreciate.

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

No. It's "compensation" for lack of a more powerful car. Is the agility of the FR-S meant to compensate for one's terrible clumsiness and awkwardness? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Keep telling yourself you're not compensating, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i never said the 370z wasnt a true sports car. please dont put words in my mouth. the 370z is not the 240z. ive already showed you that even by the standards of the person responsible for the creation of the z, the miata is more a sports car. i dont know why you keep commenting on heritage. it has nothing to do with the current cars being sporty or not and even if it did, we could just as easily say that the 2000gt or sports800 lineage was passed to the frs

Ok dude....what ever you say....remember you said it...

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Keep telling yourself you're not compensating, whatever helps you sleep at night.

So, wanting a powerful car means you're less powerful somewhere else, huh? Can't just be that some value power, some value agility, some value practicality, comfort, fuel economy, storage space, different drivetrains, etc, and everyone's different and has different automotive needs and desires?

It's sort of hypocritical for any performance car enthusiast to pull the "compensation" card on another, when by most accounts any car which is anything besides utilitarian is impractical and therefore in the same boat. So what are you compensating for, since you also drive a fun performance car?

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

So, wanting a powerful car means you're less powerful somewhere else, huh? Can't just be that some value power, some value agility, some value practicality, comfort, fuel economy, storage space, different drivetrains, etc, and everyone's different and has different automotive needs and desires?

It's sort of hypocritical for any performance car enthusiast to pull the "compensation" card on another, when by most accounts any car which is anything besides utilitarian is impractical and therefore in the same boat. So what are you compensating for, since you also drive a fun performance car?

I can agree with that. Everyone has their own appreciation for cars. And let's be realistic, none of us are going to change the others opinion.

[Gen]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

The 370Z can run rings around the FR-S -- that's not fanboyism, it's just the facts. The FR-S may excel in handling and braking (even by comparison), but it simply isn't going to outperform the 370Z on any track ever, stock vs. stock. it simply doesn't have the grunt.

No doubt about it and I agree. When I speak about the 370z it's not the FR-S vs the 370z...it's EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE vs the 370z. I can think of at least 100 cars straight off the top of my head that would destroy a Z, which is why i said it's slow (and by that same standard, the FR-S is slow on a road course as well). When I think of a fast car, I'm thinking a Noble M400, not the 370z my neighbor's wife drives.

My comment regarding someone acting like an exotic mostly came from the gentlemen indicating he felt like a businessman driving a Z and a walmart supervisor driving an FR-S. If 7k or so extra on a car makes one feel successful, that's a little unfortunate. That's a paycheck for a week or two of work to a lot of people here. With that said, I still have respect for the Z for what it is, I just don't need to swing my **** around on their forum.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

No. It's "compensation" for lack of a more powerful car. Is the agility of the FR-S meant to compensate for one's terrible clumsiness and awkwardness? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Personally I would think i might compensating for something if I posted about the gt86's handling superiority hundreds of times on a Nissan board. I understand youve been here a while but people already know your viewpoint on this car. I don't think a 370z is a great car personally. A lot of my opinion is based on small polish issues with the gear box and steering. I also don't like bigger rwd cars. Do I respect that you like yours? Yes. Do I care to hear about a stock vs stock torque/hp spec comparison over and over again? No. I have owned faster cars than your 370z, assuming it isn't turbod, and I still bought a brz because I wanted a small nimble na car this time around. So hearing people that won't get past preaching that this car should have been blown from the factory starts annoying me. If its not thecar for you, move on. Sry for the rant.

[msile]

Originally Posted by blu_

Personally I would think i might compensating for something if I posted about the gt86's handling superiority hundreds of times on a Nissan board. I understand youve been here a while but people already know your viewpoint on this car. I don't think a 370z is a great car personally. A lot of my opinion is based on small polish issues with the gear box and steering. I also don't like bigger rwd cars. Do I respect that you like yours? Yes. Do I care to hear about a stock vs stock torque/hp spec comparison over and over again? No. I have owned faster cars than your 370z, assuming it isn't turbod, and I still bought a brz because I wanted a small nimble na car this time around. So hearing people that won't get past preaching that this car should have been blown from the factory starts annoying me. If its not thecar for you, move on. Sry for the rant.

Perfectly stated.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Keep telling yourself you're not compensating, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Says the person with the handle "shagaliscious". Okay, whatever.

Originally Posted by blu_

Personally I would think i might compensating for something if I posted about the gt86's handling superiority hundreds of times on a Nissan board. I understand youve been here a while but people already know your viewpoint on this car. I don't think a 370z is a great car personally. A lot of my opinion is based on small polish issues with the gear box and steering. I also don't like bigger rwd cars. Do I respect that you like yours? Yes. Do I care to hear about a stock vs stock torque/hp spec comparison over and over again? No. I have owned faster cars than your 370z, assuming it isn't turbod, and I still bought a brz because I wanted a small nimble na car this time around. So hearing people that won't get past preaching that this car should have been blown from the factory starts annoying me. If its not thecar for you, move on. Sry for the rant.

Fair enough. Actually, I did move on.

Nevertheless, I am still very interested in this car when and if a factory boosted version becomes available so I check in from time to time to look for updates

Anyway, I only posted anything in this thread because the whole "jealousy" comment was completely ridiculous -- not because of one car being better than the other , but simply because anyone who can afford a Z can afford a FR-S/BRZ if they wanted it. Therefore, what's to be jealous about?

Now as to the "power junkies", all those guys have already sold their Z and bought a V8 Mustang. I have not, nor do I intend to, because raw power isn't everything to me.

What does matter to me? I want my car to have at least 10 hp per lb (ideally to the tire), handle well, brake well, have 2 doors, reasonable reliability, and not be as large as a boat -- the Z does all of that quite capably within my price range, whereas the FR-S clearly misses on one of them.

When and if a FR-S (or other car) does all of that the Z may be replaced.