Considering an AT

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mule

This car does have a slush box though. Regardless of its sporty 'intentions' the AT is a traditional torque-converter. It's not even as good as Merc's old wet clutch set up in AMGs let alone anything close to the level of VW's DSG.

That's my issue with AT in this car, it's vastly inferior to many other auto boxes out there, the manual is not.

EDIT: to clarify, I'm not calling ppl who choose AT inferior, I'm questioning why ppl who want an AT wouldn't just get a different car altogether with a vastly superior AT - think Golf GTI. I mean hell, everyone in this thread is claiming the AT is the better DD, well a GTI is a better DD to begin with and their DSG is even better, so just get a GTI!!

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Why would they? It is a good AT in a car they want. If they want more power should they get a Mustang? If they want a colour they don't make should they get something else that does? What exactly makes a GTI a better daily?
This car with the AT is perfect in some people's mind and if they feel it is a better DD for them then why say they are wrong?


Could the car have a "better" AT? Sure. It could also cost $10K more. At the design specs and price point it is supposed to meet the AT is pretty damned good.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Why would they? It is a good AT in a car they want. If they want more power should they get a Mustang? If they want a colour they don't make should they get something else that does? What exactly makes a GTI a better daily?
This car with the AT is perfect in some people's mind and if they feel it is a better DD for them then why say they are wrong?


Could the car have a "better" AT? Sure. It could also cost $10K more. At the design specs and price point it is supposed to meet the AT is pretty damned good.

I suggested the GTI precisely because it's a similar price point and because it's universally regarded as a better daily driver - and that seems to be why everyone here with an AT chose that transmission; because they want a better daily driver.

You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing, as usual. And again, for the last time, I haven't told anyone they are 'wrong' I've asked out loud why these AT lovers wouldn't just consider a different a car with an even better AT. I have yet to get an answer, just childish remarks from you Tcoat.

You don't drive an AT so maybe pipe down from here on out old man, looking for legit feedback from those who actually bought an AT.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mule

I suggested the GTI precisely because it's a similar price point and because it's universally regarded as a better daily driver - and that seems to be why everyone here with an AT chose that transmission; because they want a better daily driver.

You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing, as usual. And again, for the last time, I haven't told anyone they are 'wrong' I've asked out loud why these AT lovers wouldn't just consider a different a car with an even better AT. I have yet to get an answer, just childish remarks from you Tcoat.

You don't drive an AT so maybe pipe down from here on out old man, looking for legit feedback from those who actually bought an AT.


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Who "universally regards" the GTI as a better daily driver? GTI drivers? You have still not explained why somebody should get something different just because they want an AT. The simple answer as to why they didn't consider a different car to get a "better" AT is they don't want a different car and they have no issue with the AT. You have an issue with it not them.


I am not arguing anything but simply asking you to clarify your statements. You are presenting your opinions as facts so be prepared to support them.


Please point out my "childish remarks". I think I have asked perfectly reasonable questions based upon your statements.


It doesn't matter if I drive an AT or not I also have an opinion on them and just because it is not the same as yours it does not mean I have to "pipe down" on anything.


I think you have received legit feedback from the AT owners. They LIKE it.

[fierostetz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh this will bring in the hate mail!


Up until 3 months ago I would have agreed 100% on the CVT. My wife's last two SUVs (Outlander and Outlander Sport) had then and they sucked balls big time. When she got her Impreza the top trim level only came with CVT. It is claimed to have a new gen CVT but I was not hopeful. I have to confess that I was actually impressed by it. Pretty much every aspect of the old ones that I hated has indeed been improved substantially. It is whisper quiet, has some artificial "shift" point so the acceleration isn't so uncannily linear, it has none of that initial acceleration lag and overall just works well. It also has a sports mode and paddles with some pretty decent set "gears". As the tech for this type advances I can easily see it replacing the normal geared ATs.

I had a CVT jeep while my car was in for repair, I pulled out of the rental place and hit the gas and immediately though the automatic trans was slipping lol - it sounds so awful :|

I have to admit though, I'm morbidly curious to drive a CVT wrx

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fierostetz

I had a CVT jeep while my car was in for repair, I pulled out of the rental place and hit the gas and immediately though the automatic trans was slipping lol - it sounds so awful :|

I have to admit though, I'm morbidly curious to drive a CVT wrx

Ya those Chrysler CTVs are the worst of the worst! World of difference to the newest Subie one.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Who "universally regards" the GTI as a better daily driver? GTI drivers? You have still not explained why somebody should get something different just because they want an AT. The simple answer as to why they didn't consider a different car to get a "better" AT is they don't want a different car and they have no issue with the AT. You have an issue with it not them.


I am not arguing anything but simply asking you to clarify your statements. You are presenting your opinions as facts so be prepared to support them.


Please point out my "childish remarks". I think I have asked perfectly reasonable questions based upon your statements.


It doesn't matter if I drive an AT or not I also have an opinion on them and just because it is not the same as yours it does not mean I have to "pipe down" on anything.


I think you have received legit feedback from the AT owners. They LIKE it.

No shit they like it. I've asked why AT FRS owners didn't consider other cars with superior ATs, still no answer there. But thanks for speaking on their behalf meat head.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mule

No shit they like it. I've asked why AT FRS owners didn't consider other cars with superior ATs, still no answer there. But thanks for speaking on their behalf meat head.


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Read what they already said.


It is still only YOU that says it is an inferior transmission when used in this car.


Why would somebody that has a love affair with Mazda inline fours not consider other cars with inline fours and buy a car with a boxer?


Disagree with me all you like but no more personal attacks.


If you want a slander war I will win.

[Mule]

So if anyone other than Tcoat wants actually give me some insight into their AT purchase and why they didn't consider other cars with better ATs, I'm all ears.

Genuinely curious, not trying to be snarky.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by leevanf

I believe the auto on this car is good enough that it has finally put auto on par / much closer with the manual at least for mixed driving where nobody measures your 0-60 times and laps at every stoplight. Its great because now, the reason to get manual is for your own personal pleasure, or a professional track racer. Versus before or in similar priced options when you'd get a manual because the autos were far worse in many aspects. So i think the AT bar just went higher and the manual stayed the same. Marry those higher standards to a great affordable car, and you have awesomeness. Thereby satisfying more people in the end. Overall, we are all winners!


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This post sums up the AT choice perfectly. There is no reason for anybody to have to explain their reasoning nor why they didn't pick some other car. It is a personal preference and that is the end of the story.

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by Mule

This car does have a slush box though. Regardless of its sporty 'intentions' the AT is a traditional torque-converter. It's not even as good as Merc's old wet clutch set up in AMGs let alone anything close to the level of VW's DSG.

That's my issue with AT in this car, it's vastly inferior to many other auto boxes out there, the manual is not.

EDIT: to clarify, I'm not calling ppl who choose AT inferior, I'm questioning why ppl who want an AT wouldn't just get a different car altogether with a vastly superior AT - think Golf GTI. I mean hell, everyone in this thread is claiming the AT is the better DD, well a GTI is a better DD to begin with and their DSG is even better, so just get a GTI!!

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How much have you driven the AT model? How much with the AT in manual mode? Seriously.
I have this sneaking suspicion that many here doth protest too much when they are "defending" their choice of MT and almost demanding that AT drivers switch to MT.
I don't care which one you choose, like, buy, drive, etc., just get the one you want. That means MT or AT.
It is rather disingenuous to expect someone to buy a different car than the one they selected, just because one or more other people think it has one feature better than the car they chose.

My caveat is that I have not bought one yet - still checking them out, but I have driven several of each (MT & AT) to evaluate them. I find the AT on this car quite good and the manual shifts are clean and quick - faster than anyone can do manually. That is important to me because I am considering this car for road courses, where every split second counts.
The MT was fine too, and was no trouble to drive after the first feel of the clutch.
People should get what they want, for whatever reason, and drive it the way they want (within the law!).

[SuperTom]

if your tracking also remember an AT adds like 50 lbs to the car

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by SuperTom

if your tracking also remember an AT adds like 50 lbs to the car

Yes - I think 44 lbs.
I have not decided if I plan to otherwise strip down the car if I get an AT.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Mule

I've asked why AT FRS owners didn't consider other cars with superior ATs, still no answer there. But .

I already answered this, in this thread and others but I'll bite.

I selected the car first, transmission second (or third, I did pick color second). Transmission was selected because I like the novelty (to me) of the paddle shifters and when driving both did not see enough difference between the two for me to insist on a manual.

Either AT/MT would have made a fine DD as far as I'm concerned, and my entire family (wife, 3 sons) all can drive sticks so that wasn't an issue.

Other cars I was considering at the time would have all been manuals because in some cases that was the novelty (CTS-V Wagon anyone?) or because it was significantly better as a MT (Camaro, Z cars, etc)

Plus I wanted the classic sports car look the 86 has, not a "hot hatch" or whatever the GTI passes for these days. Also didn't want a "bathtub on wheels" Miata (albeit a well handling one).

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

How much have you driven the AT model? How much with the AT in manual mode? Seriously.

I have this sneaking suspicion that many here doth protest too much when they are "defending" their choice of MT and almost demanding that AT drivers switch to MT.

I don't care which one you choose, like, buy, drive, etc., just get the one you want. That means MT or AT.

It is rather disingenuous to expect someone to buy a different car than the one they selected, just because one or more other people think it has one feature better than the car they chose.



My caveat is that I have not bought one yet - still checking them out, but I have driven several of each (MT & AT) to evaluate them. I find the AT on this car quite good and the manual shifts are clean and quick - faster than anyone can do manually. That is important to me because I am considering this car for road courses, where every split second counts.

The MT was fine too, and was no trouble to drive after the first feel of the clutch.

People should get what they want, for whatever reason, and drive it the way they want (within the law!).

Driven the AT version extensively, one of my good buddies got his AT FRS before I got my MT.

And for the last time - I'm not shit-talking AT owners! I'm (still) waiting for someone with an AT to tell me why they chose it over ANOTHER AT car, not a MT FRS. And I'm genuinely curious about that because I've driven some amazing ATs that put the FRS' AT to shame.


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