Anyone starting to realize that this is loosing value at a crazy rate?!

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

I left mine. The car is a scion. Unfortunately, I don't own a "true 86"

Neither do I! I like mine just the way it is. well, at least as far as badges, and other nonsense people seem fixated on. Performance is something else worth breaking tools out for.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Neither do I! I like mine just the way it is. well, at least as far as badges, and other nonsense people seem fixated on. Performance is something else worth breaking tools out for.

AMEN!!!

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

Fair enough. I can get that. It's been almost two years (mid 2012) since release, and unfortunately, this car didn't get the best reliability rating. I haven't had any issues yet (knock on wood)

Exactly. Perhaps those initial reliability concerns are playing a role in KBB's values. But maybe after a few years pass and the issue is long gone and the car proves to be otherwise reliable, then you might see some stronger values later on down the road, or the market value will improve.

Or if the car gets killed off or if its successor ends up falling short, then its market value will climb, regardless of whether or not KBB reflects that too. For example, when the Evo X GSR first came out, I was at the dealership looking at the numbers... and I know everyone there, from the managers to the GSM to the GM. My Evo IX SE had maybe 15k miles, and they were offering me "maybe $23k." Fast forward to 2014. I took my car in for an oil change (as they were included with my purchase for life) back in January, and that same GSM was still asking me if I was going to sell it to them, since they want bone stock Evo VIIIs and IXs. And even with the 68k miles that it had at the time, he said he could easily sell it for $28-29k given today's market since there is a demand for them in this condition, and they'd likely offer probably at least $24k for it... even more than what they offered me six years ago despite my car now having over four times as many miles as that time.

So if the next 86 ends up sucking... whether there are new regulations in place that make the car weigh well over 3,000 lb while the engine doesn't have any more grunt, then you might see the current generation's values hold up quite well.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Exactly. Perhaps those initial reliability concerns are playing a role in KBB's values. But maybe after a few years pass and the issue is long gone and the car proves to be otherwise reliable, then you might see some stronger values later on down the road, or the market value will improve.

Or if the car gets killed off or if its successor ends up falling short, then its market value will climb, regardless of whether or not KBB reflects that too. For example, when the Evo X GSR first came out, I was at the dealership looking at the numbers... and I know everyone there, from the managers to the GSM to the GM. My Evo IX SE had maybe 15k miles, and they were offering me "maybe $23k." Fast forward to 2014. I took my car in for an oil change (as they were included with my purchase for life) back in January, and that same GSM was still asking me if I was going to sell it to them, since they want bone stock Evo VIIIs and IXs. And even with the 68k miles that it had at the time, he said he could easily sell it for $28-29k given today's market since there is a demand for them in this condition, and they'd likely offer probably at least $24k for it... even more than what they offered me six years ago despite my car now having over four times as many miles as that time.

So if the next 86 ends up sucking... whether there are new regulations in place that make the car weigh well over 3,000 lb while the engine doesn't have any more grunt, then you might see the current generation's values hold up quite well.

is it bad that I hope that the car gets discontinued?

I want a rare car again ()=)

[SubieNubie]

All of the used ones I've seen on dealer lots are stickered a few hundred under new. I wouldn't really worry now, but in three years if they are listed with say 40k at $16k , then I'd worry. It does worry me that their are a significant amount of them in used lots.

[stueck9356]

That's okay, I expected to take a hit if I ever sell my car. And if you bought a new car and plan on selling it in a short time, you shouldn't get upset over a large loss.

I just checked my car on KBB: mint condition '13 (they didn't have '14 yet) at 3500mi, $21,612. An exact same BRZ limited, $24,913. Exact same car, $3,300 difference lol.

[AVodka14]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Lol, Scion is going to have the stripped down version as long as they exist and they will be all over the place. Plus few people in their right mind wants a first model year Toyota with all those issues.

Btw, us 'BRZs with a FRS front-end' have the true 86. If you want the pared down FRS to be worth something, go sell it in Japan.

Oh, and I bought the car that had exactly what I wanted right now, not to please someone else or get more resale later. Go figure.

You don't have the true 86 if you own a BRZ. The true 86 is in Japan. You have a Subaru BRZ. Sure, the limited model is as close as you can get to an 86. Yet at the end of the day it's a Subaru BRZ no matter how you break it down. The OP was not mentioning anything about the car in terms of it being a 'true 86'. He was mentioning the drop in resale value. And what are all those issues you are talking about? If you have a 13/14 MY there is nothing different about them in terms of FRS/BRZ/86. All are made at Fuji Industries in Japan. There may be quirky people out there in the future that may want an FRS for more nostalgic reasons. Now that the RS and Monogram are out. They are closer to the 'true 86' like your BRZ. Glad you are not out to please people with your purchase. Could care less if you did. The OP was not mentioning that either. Again, just talking about resale value dropping.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by AVodka14

You don't have the true 86 if you own a BRZ. The true 86 is in Japan. You have a Subaru BRZ. Sure, the limited model is as close as you can get to an 86. Yet at the end of the day it's a Subaru BRZ no matter how you break it down. The OP was not mentioning anything about the car in terms of it being a 'true 86'. He was mentioning the drop in resale value. And what are all those issues you are talking about? If you have a 13/14 MY there is nothing different about them in terms of FRS/BRZ/86. All are made at Fuji Industries in Japan. There may be quirky people out there in the future that may want an FRS for more nostalgic reasons. Now that the RS and Monogram are out. They are closer to the 'true 86' like your BRZ. Glad you are not out to please people with your purchase. Could care less if you did. The OP was not mentioning that either. Again, just talking about resale value dropping.

You seem completely lost, I don't have a BRZ. You must have skipped a couple pages...

[AVodka14]

Haha, got it. Oops. I just go straight to my notifications of quotes/thanks. I see the sarcasm now. Or at least that is what I am sensing. It's hard to detect deflections of voice tone and implications of such potential sarcasm based on reading the forum. Anyway, if I am wrong re facetiousism that I am detecting from the message. Then I am indeed utterly lost.

[rice_classic]

Eb and Flow I suppose.

I sold my AP1 S2000 with 70k miles for $12.5k in 2009, I see good AP1's (2002+) go for more than that now with more miles.

I think there might be a couple factors of depreciation that exist outside of the norm for these cars:
1) They're bare bones compared to many other $25-28k cars on the market.
2) Their reliability is very un-japanese.
3) This is a big-HP kind of country, speed matters. The lack of these things will indeed have impact on resale because of the smaller target audience.


BUT!

Resale doesn't mean jack. People are still buying VW and Audis at a pretty good clip and those things depreciate like motorhomes!

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Everytime you post, I can't help but look at your sig. Sometimes I read what you write too.


I was surprised at how fast this car depreciated, but imo all that will make no difference 10 years from now. Finding an early unmodified mt example, to an enthusiast will be priceless. Like others have said, I predict it will follow the s2000 in that respect.

Truth be told and somebody earlier said it best. These car will be the "new" 240sx come 10-15 years time. My predictions in 10-15 years are as follows

beat up examples ~$4000-6000
good examples ~$6000-8000
clean to mint examples ~$8000-10000

That's what my crystal ball tells me.

[fitcious]

I wonder if putting on accessories from factory (I.e. OEM fogs help)?

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[LXXXV1]

Thanks for making this post OP! Made me realize another pro for leasing! If this cars value does tank, easier for me to just return her, after many burnouts/drifts and long drives to play catch up on my allotted mileage of course. Then I'd really get to enjoy the car. If the car is worth 3K less than Toyota's predicted residual...Hello FT-1! But I do believe the few that said how it'll bounce back up. It's still new, but when production stops, we should see better numbers.

Also glad I went with a limited model. Push to start and GPS is the future! I can care less for dual climate, heated mirrors, and heated seats bc Socal FTW. But for real though, push to start was worth the extra cash imo especially after seeing a DIY...GL doing it properly. I NEVER touch my keys anymore...can't go back. I'm confident my car will be worth above KBB if I'm ever done with her. I know I'm gonna keep my car MINT. Who else would opticoat and spend $430 on tints for a lease lol

Also...fwiw, I think the values of the FT86 will depend a lot on US. WE are the fans and WE play a big role in building that future demand after production stops. As long as we're still kicking and screaming in the forums humbly(lets not let everyone think we're a bunch of close minded douche bags), once this car stops production, it's up to US to build this car into a cult classic. This is what I noticed when I got my 5th gen Prelude. The owners are slowly turning her into a cult classic. They almost made me cry when I sold my Prelude. But then I just went to my garage and saw my FR-S and all was better.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by F4ith

Also glad I went with a limited model. Push to start and GPS is the future! I can care less for dual climate, heated mirrors, and heated seats bc Socal FTW.

Another thing to think about is that you bought a lot of "unnecessary" extras. (unnecessary is in quotes because they are fun and I actually like them a lot) I'm not saying this will happen, but when most of the models sold are "limited," the rare ones are going to be the stripped down base FRS models.

So far all the limited models offer mostly all the same upgrades, such as better lighting, leather seats, push start, climate control. The only difference between the "limited" models are color options and body kits.

I know with M3's, the car everyone is looking for now is the one with ZERO options….and by zero, I mean not checking the box besides a single option. It's not that easy to find an M3 with no sunroof, and a cloth interior. People search for months to find them and pay a premium for a no option car.

If the "limited" market keeps on going the way it is now, having a new one released every six months, my vote is that if any of these cars are going to be sought after in 20 years, it's going to be the base model hot lava FRS's (most people don't care for the color)

Just food for thought.