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Shawnofthedead · 09-26-2013, 11:18 PM

So I've been talking to a few buddies has anyone tried to get the most out of this motor without boost? And in doing so what are the numbers you've pulled on Dyno if you have examples examples!

mashal · 09-26-2013, 11:21 PM

Try this thing called "search"

mike the snake · 09-26-2013, 11:43 PM

If you look in the forced induction forum here, many have posted dyno charts which usually include stock base graphs.

Most are around 155-165.

BlueDubbinTDI · 09-26-2013, 11:44 PM

A forum member since April and you've not once come across a thread regarding naturally aspirated performance?...

Stealth Gt86 · 09-26-2013, 11:45 PM

the only way to real power out of a 4 cylinder is with a turbo

humfrz · 09-26-2013, 11:49 PM

I understand that by freeing up the intake and freeing up the exhaust, along with a tune, will allow the engine to produce a few more HP.

humfrz

TRD-X · 09-26-2013, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Gt86

the only way to real power out of a 4 cylinder is with a turbo

Doesn't a supercharger make power also..??

Everyone doesn't want a 10 second car.

Shawnofthedead · 09-27-2013, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mashal

Try this thing called "search"

Yeah I actually did and all subjects regarding are either before production of car or back pressure of a naturally aspirated engine cry more

Rampage · 09-27-2013, 12:23 AM

wrxgoose got a tad over 200 WHP with just bolt ons and on 93 octane tune. He has since gone FI.

Shawnofthedead · 09-27-2013, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

A forum member since April and you've not once come across a thread regarding naturally aspirated performance?...

I have all categories were based on pre production ideas or has all boost related modifications.

Shawnofthedead · 09-27-2013, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

wrxgoose got a tad over 200 WHP with just bolt ons and on 93 octane tune. He has since gone FI.

Ill search for a car journal to check it out.

Kiske · 09-27-2013, 12:54 AM

Circuit Motorsports Tuned Stock BRZ: +17whp & +12wtq

EcuTek Tuning for Subaru BRZ & Scion FR-S by Circuit Motorsports
We just finished Pro-tuning a local BRZ 6mt, the car only has a drop in filter and a muffler delete, using 93 octane.

We achieved a 17 wheel horsepower and 12 ft/lbs. torque gain over the stock tune!
Stock: 174whp / 151wtq
Custom Tune: 191whp / 163wtq

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47586

also for Perrin's products they have a blog showing dyno and testing...
http://blog.perrinperformance.com/br...n-and-proving/

Hanni_0176 · 09-27-2013, 01:46 AM

I'm pretty sure the OP is asking about a pure N/A build, with the FA20 engine, and with more than just a few Bolt-On's.

@OP
No, I have not seen anyone with a built N/A FA20 yet. This may be an attractive option to some, but the vast majority are either going into Forced Induction or are doing engine swaps to bigger engines (like the LSx or 2JZ). The most popular method seems to be turbocharging, which is the route I plan on taking after my warranty expires (if I can wait that long).

Obja · 09-27-2013, 02:13 AM

doesn't e-85 push it past 200 with a bolt on or two?

or does that not count

09-26-2013, 11:18 PM	#1
Shawnofthedead Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: Black on black with so much class Location: SoCal Posts: 200 Thanks: 220 Thanked 45 Times in 30 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	All balls, no boost So I've been talking to a few buddies has anyone tried to get the most out of this motor without boost? And in doing so what are the numbers you've pulled on Dyno if you have examples examples!

09-26-2013, 11:45 PM	#5
Stealth Gt86 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: silver scion 10 series frs Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 282 Thanks: 86 Thanked 137 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the only way to real power out of a 4 cylinder is with a turbo __________________ 2013 10 Series 2013 Raven FRS-sold my old FRS boosted build http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31900 follow me on instagram- WeaponsFree86

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Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	wrxgoose got a tad over 200 WHP with just bolt ons and on 93 octane tune. He has since gone FI. __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

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mike the snake Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: Norcal Posts: 1,592 Thanks: 1 Thanked 623 Times in 378 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you look in the forced induction forum here, many have posted dyno charts which usually include stock base graphs. Most are around 155-165.

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Kiske Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: RX-7 / BRZ Location: USA Posts: 2,349 Thanks: 1,031 Thanked 2,501 Times in 1,081 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Circuit Motorsports Tuned Stock BRZ: +17whp & +12wtq EcuTek Tuning for Subaru BRZ & Scion FR-S by Circuit Motorsports We just finished Pro-tuning a local BRZ 6mt, the car only has a drop in filter and a muffler delete, using 93 octane. We achieved a 17 wheel horsepower and 12 ft/lbs. torque gain over the stock tune! Stock: 174whp / 151wtq Custom Tune: 191whp / 163wtq http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47586 also for Perrin's products they have a blog showing dyno and testing... http://blog.perrinperformance.com/br...n-and-proving/

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Hanni_0176 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S 10 Series MT Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 339 Thanks: 115 Thanked 231 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm pretty sure the OP is asking about a pure N/A build, with the FA20 engine, and with more than just a few Bolt-On's. @OP No, I have not seen anyone with a built N/A FA20 yet. This may be an attractive option to some, but the vast majority are either going into Forced Induction or are doing engine swaps to bigger engines (like the LSx or 2JZ). The most popular method seems to be turbocharging, which is the route I plan on taking after my warranty expires (if I can wait that long).

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